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Heritage USA - Ghost town in Fort Mill

Pictures, past and present, of the Heritage USA / PTL property in Fort Mill, SC, 15 miles south of Charlotte, NC.
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Guest 01-Jul-2009 15:31
I always loved the Bakkers, and just wonder how Hertiage USA, might have turned out if the jealous people that wanted to take Jim and Tammy down would not have got their way. I am sure that a lot of money was wasted, but I see that a lot was spent, just think what this kind of building would do for our economy today. I send in a lot of my dollars and didn't care what was done with them, because I did get a blessing from the programs.
brett jones 06-Jun-2009 14:18
i grew up their and ran around with jamie charles...Then my mother was killed in a car wreck when i was 12 ,i then moved up to indiana with my father..i could tell you stories left and right about the place.I used to play music at the family center in the dj booth..I was their when Kim Fields (facts of life)(tuddy) and marla gibbs from (227)got her signature in the family center..while she was ordering food at the snack bar in the family center..Christmas was wonderful;as well as the 4th of july..
Guest 06-Apr-2009 01:03
Excuse me, but is the photo of Jerry Falwell him in his coffin ?
Guest 25-Mar-2009 23:01
This photo gallery does a nice job in presering good memories but other galleries show how bad this place really looks and some of the bldg.s and recreation areas are gone now.
Disney land is still up and running !
PTL 22-Mar-2009 01:24
The Towers hotel should be made into apartment hi-rise,its a great structure !
Rock Hill 11-Feb-2009 21:34
Several weeks ago the Fort Mill Times ran an article on the HUSA site. One thing that was curious, the paper mentioned the speculation on the fate of the Upper Room. The lack of coment by the owners seems like a bad sign.
Guest 03-Feb-2009 13:10
The Coulstons really should speak publically about the Upper Room if for no other reason than to stop the speculation. If they plan to tear it down, then say so. At least it would put an end to the speculation. I honestly think that one particular piece of the former Heritage USA is the most beloved property associated with this former 2500 acre complex - just in what it stands for. Not to mention it is a very uniquely designed building and worthy of being restored.

The Coulstons have been good stewards thus far of the former Heritage USA properties and are very well-respected throughout the Christian community. I would hope that they will do whatever is in their power to try to work with another ministry to turn this property over to them and restore it.
Andrea 27-Jan-2009 00:31
Hi my name is Andrea. Both of my parents worked at PTL and I remember mty granparents taking me by the abandoned beauty about 5 years ago and I was wondering if anything else has be demolished and if it is a private property. I live in Georgia but have been planning a trip back up. Id love to see it again.
Thanks
Guest 22-Jan-2009 01:59
If at all the possibility of getting televised again at HUSA I would support the effort to a continuation of rebuilding in whatever direction it wants to take !
Guest 17-Jan-2009 12:20
I do not need to look at the credits...I know/knew Daryl Hicks and now I know who you are. You were a cute little girl. Daryl was a very sweet man and a pretty big fella as I recall....go to the Yaho group...you will enjoy all the pictures and former staff there.
craig 16-Jan-2009 02:05
people need to attend services there now and get involved again,christians built it and it still belongs to christians.......
Charnee 15-Jan-2009 16:30
Yeah I know they spelled it that was I was just being short. And Yeah I know that there was many producers. My father was one of the main producers. If you don't believe me you can get a copy of the show and look at the credits. His name is Darryl Hicks
Guest 15-Jan-2009 16:07
Charnee,
If your father was the producer of The Show and you went to school with the kids you should know that the Bakkers spelled their name with 2 K's.
There were many producers of the shows.
I think you may enjoy the yahoo group...just search "groups" at the yahoo home page under PTL/Heritage USA.
Charnee 14-Jan-2009 19:28
my emial is onlylogan3@yahoo.com
Charnee 14-Jan-2009 19:27
Hi all. Just a little insight about me. My father, was the producer of the PTL CLub. When Jim Bakers name was interduced it was my Dad. At the time I was only 4 years old. My father had work for him since I was 3 and worked for him until nearly the end. From the time that I remember, I grew up with Tamy Sue and Jamie Charles. Yes I went to school with them and live at Heritage. My Mom even taught school there. It's a huge part of my life!! I have pictures and all kinds of Great memories from that era. If any one wants to know more, let me know. I would be happy to talk about it!!
craig 08-Jan-2009 03:28
many folks are leaving michigan for the south and I for one would think its a nice location to live on HUSA land !
Rock Hill 05-Jan-2009 16:15
It would not surprise me if the building is torn down and another set of homes goes up. The pastors grave there would have to be worked around. The property values continue to grow in the area despite the economic turndown. Upstate SC has not been hit as hard in housing and construction as other areas in the country. The HVAC units were removed earlier in the summer and I have not seen any real work going on at the site in ages. The barn had people and contractors in and out of it all the time during the restoration but nothing at the Upper Room. I still maintain that the owners not speaking to people (especially the HUSA Yahoo folks) is a telling sign.
craig 04-Jan-2009 23:36
ministries should not over extend themselves to get the upper room but it is awful to think it may be torn down .........
Rock Hill 04-Jan-2009 09:11
There is a real reason that the Coulstons are not talking about the property. If you go to the York County GIS system (I put the addtess in a previous post) you can see that the tract of land that the upper room is in was bought for over $535,000.00. It is one of the properties that is owned by them or Regent Carolina Development (all of which use the same physical street address). With all of the propeosed development that is already on the table it just does not look good. I am sure that someone is counting the money.
Heritage USA04-Jan-2009 02:35
The petition to Save The Upper Room can be found at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/HUSA2009/petition.html

I read in an earlier post that the owners are quietly offering it for sale. Can anyone confirm this? It would be awesome if another ministry could buy it - or if several of the ministries located on the Heritage property went in together to buy it.
Guest 04-Jan-2009 02:29
Just to let everyone know, an online petition has been created that will ultimately be sent to the owners of The Upper Room. It encourages them to donate or sell the property to another ministry in hopes that the building can be saved from demolition. The Upper Room truly is an awesome building and every effort should be made to try to save it. The petition can be found at petitiononline dot com and the petition number is HUSA2009.
craig 02-Jan-2009 20:35
very good Rock Hill God wants a positive outcome here and I'm so hopful the towers will become a useful building in some way.I will only talk in a positive manner here and I do hope others will do the same......
Rock Hill 31-Dec-2008 14:47
If you want to see a real picture of what the development of the property looks like go to maps.yorkcountygov.com. You can see the property lines, boundaries and owner information. Looking at the costs and numbers involved, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few hundred more momes being built there over the next few years as the land values skyrocket.
Rock Hill 31-Dec-2008 14:28
I talked to some of my contacts in the local government. It seems as if the Upper room and adjacent property is quietly being offered for sale. I guess with the expensive homes that are being offered for sale in the area money is more important to the current owners than the building.
Guest 24-Dec-2008 01:06
Did you see the angel on top of the Towers hotel ? I heard the angels wings there !
Truth Rules 19-Dec-2008 04:28
Look - I am not interested in debate OR argument- if you dont know what I am talking about then I am definately NOT talking to you. If you can help me please email me at crash-of-the-south@hotmail.com - If you email me to debate or fish for infornation I will not respond. I have had enough emails of the " God is going to kill you for touching the Lord's anointed" emails to last a life-time.
craig 19-Dec-2008 00:44
whos hand was caught in the cookie jar now ? (an all new saga) stay tuned in here for a possible update ! welcome commentary from Rock Hill.......
Guest 18-Dec-2008 20:30
ah....the accuser of the brethren has arrived...
TruthRules 18-Dec-2008 04:57
I am looking for information about MS from an investigational standpoint. I was a member of MS and things are not as they seem. Would be interested in hearing from folks who know about their activites - if you dont know what I am talking about then you probably can't help me.
Guest 17-Dec-2008 15:18
Chuck.
You may appreciate a yahoo group with pictures and threads about everything PTL.
Just search Yahoo groups for Heritage USA.
Chuck Williams 16-Dec-2008 22:11
I'm so glad I found this site. I have fond memories of meeting other kids from all over the world at Heritage Village. I grew up in a nearby town and we would go there occasionally. I left NC in the 1990's after finishing college at Belmont Abbey and have only been back a few times. I remember how sad Heritage Village looked when I last saw it. Vandalism, thieves and the weather had left it in shambles. I'm so happy that it is being rebuilt. .
craig 04-Dec-2008 00:57
Rock Hill this is very encouraging news thank you so much,that place is still so special to me being in michigan I need a forum with nice people to talk in a positive manner.I hope more people will join in and talk of the new work there its great and it makes me happy !
Rock Hill 03-Dec-2008 16:03
Some of the issues are easily fixed such as new carpet, new drywall, and fixtures. As you go up further in the tower though, the floors are in a lesser state of completetion. From the middle of the building on the floors are mostly empty. The mold and bats will be an issue since the building has left open for twenty years. The brick issues on the sides of the towers are not as big a deal either since the building is steel and concrete with the brick serving as decoration. The biggest issue is the tower is leaning off center towards Star Light Dr. The plans call for additional builing around the sides of the tower to correct the problem.
Rock Hill 03-Dec-2008 15:53
Morningstar has a contractor in place, approved plans (by the York County Council), and all of the nessesary construction permits in place. The sign on the south side of the tower, near the grand, states that work will begin in the spring. The big question will be "Can Morningstar finance the project?". They have large numbers, strong leadership, and money, but the scope of this project combined with the current state of the credit market will make it difficult. I am fairly certain that they will be able to pull it off but there will probably be a few bumps in the road.
craig 01-Dec-2008 17:28
Does it look as if the Towers hotel is doomed ? (will be torn down)
craig 28-Nov-2008 16:44
Rock Hill I'm on board,you need to bring a discussion togehter here lets get down to the nitty gritty about whats happening there ! I want a positive exchange from now on.......
Rock Hill 28-Nov-2008 00:20
I was waiting for someone to talk about HUSA and not all of the political junk.
craig 25-Nov-2008 20:57
Rock Hill ? anybody ? c,mon !
Rock Hill 13-Oct-2008 17:57
I went by the property over the weekend. The barn restoration looks to be going well. It is a much different situation than the castle which is falling apart inside. It still looks weird without the watepark.
Bill Jameson 09-Sep-2008 21:58
I shure hope Palin wins president. W shure ainta gonna get us all to heaven befor his terms up. Palin can help bring the end sooner or at leest give us a Cristchen nation to compete agin musleem Iran. Besides, whood ya rather have sex with, her or the N-word guy.
Rock Hill 25-May-2008 13:11
Morningstar has thousands of members nationally. The one service that I observed I saw three to four hundred people. As far as Flames of Fire I do not know. The grand has hundreds for conferences and meeting for Moringstar. The campground is about half full.
Rock Hill 22-May-2008 14:26
Sorry folks, I just got back in town from a weeks vacation. As far as the ampitheather, it was constucted in the early eighties. Rick Olson and Todd Bariwick from the PTL/Heritage Yahoo group could fill you in on more details and the group also has members who were cast members in productions at the site. Narrowway uses the site now and is locted off of US Hwy 21. They might be able to provide more detailed information that will suit your needs.
As far as my name goes, I am employed by a local government agency with a strict policy of posting nothing online. I still need a check every week and am sorry that I can't be more forthcoming.
chelsea 21-May-2008 15:22
hey i'm a highschool student doing a project on the old ptl amphitheater here in fort mill. i was wondering if anyone on here knows anything about it like when it was built how big the cast was and just anything you can tell me really. I really appreciate the help
you can post back on this site or write me an email at actress9889@juno.com
thanks
Craig 21-May-2008 12:25
I have read post saying theres an eerie feeling there thats because god is waitng for you,stick around you'll see .....everybody stop whimpering about the past....I really love this web page ,I read every comment this place is great.....I have a better perspective now,and hope people will find this site and think only good things I tell people to come here and the lady who made the gallery is so nice",God bless her".
dreamer ? 15-May-2008 23:20
could there be a christian outdoor music festival here ? I'm meaning big like woodstock...invite Dixie Chicks ...telecast ?
Rock Hill 11-May-2008 08:08
To my knowledge, the grand is not available to stay in. I think that they are using the rooms for church personnel and not to the general public. If I were traveling through the area I would stay off of the Dave Lyle Blvd area (exit 79) in Rock Hill. The Hampton Inn, Wingate, and the Hilton are very nice and new. There is also a nice Quality Inn off of Cherry Rd. (exit 82 C) and a nice Courtyard by Marriott on Celanese Rd. (exit 82 A). There are numerous other motels/hotels in the area but they are of dubious reputation. All of these options are within 10 miles of the property.
guided ohioan 10-May-2008 21:55
Rock Hill I always stop at Charlotte near interstate 77 now im thinking Heritage Grand if you will give me the info. I asked about / in order to know if things go bump in the nite I need to stay there if its possible. I woke-up early one morning in Jan. and came to this web page by accident and now I want to come there and I visit this page daily I just dont know whats up with all this but im having fun...
haunted ohioan 10-May-2008 14:53
Rock Hill I watch hauntings on the discovery channel so it gave me the ghost connection at Regent park thats another reach...
Oh. high hopes 10-May-2008 14:29
Rock Hill I just find it hard to get over that ptl club totally abandoned this place and it folded.Over the months being at this web page has given me a better attitude about the new occupants in fact Im happy for them there because I do luv this place.My thinking on a festival at Regent park was to get back alittle happy time to be had there a reach I guess.
ohio visit ? 10-May-2008 14:04
Yes I know what you mean except my laptop is with me 24/7,thanks for reply.I thought Regent park would be included in any Fort Mill festivals ,to bad its not.Do you know if the Heritage Grand has a nitely rate or is it a members only type thing ?Im considering a visit and knowing you sort of I feel welcome.
Rock Hill 10-May-2008 08:05
There are several festivals in the spring and fall (although not PTL related). As far as motels/hotels there are numerous in Rock Hill. Sorry I did not reply earlier you know how it is when you are at work.
Rock Hill 08-May-2008 18:33
It is part of Moringstar / H.I.M.'s property. It has been renovated and serves as additional space for Morningstar.
forever yours : 05-May-2008 02:40
This place caught hell and i still cant figure out why are people just too fickle ? oh well gotta luv this web page !
Guest 27-Apr-2008 23:25
This planet is God's amusement park and god can turn it into a ghosttown if he damn well pleases,so if we are looking in space for other intellegent life if we find it god created that too I think...
Rasputin 21-Apr-2008 23:58
total maddness........so what........
Boo 21-Apr-2008 00:45
or 12:00am...spirits awake !
Guest 20-Apr-2008 01:18
This Ghosttown in Fort Mill is still a wonderful place to visit....12:00pm....Alfred Hitchcock....
Nancy Grace !!! 18-Apr-2008 01:11
This is outrageous !!! for shame !!!
10 hail Mary's 17-Apr-2008 00:06
oh,no doubt...
Guest 16-Apr-2008 19:05
burned bakers dozen....
Pope Benedict xvI 16-Apr-2008 00:23
what the hell is this?
Guest 12-Apr-2008 23:59
limewire download below,fitting for this place...
Jethro Tull 12-Apr-2008 21:41
slipstream.....
Buddy 11-Apr-2008 22:09
1955 -1978
Guest 11-Apr-2008 04:19
no
Guest 11-Apr-2008 03:58
are you still living ?
Steven Riley Lynch : 11-Apr-2008 03:54
I like to visit ghosttowns.....
Guest 10-Apr-2008 15:46
This ghosttown helped me get over cabin fever after the new year,it was a bad winter up north,look out for bad spring weather in the south....
Guest 10-Apr-2008 02:23
I grew a beard once in my life, at church i was asked to play christ in a Easter play,thats a beard i never forgot and i did the play...
ohio 10-Apr-2008 01:41
My wife said lets gets new carpet ,i said lets go get a bigger house,i think i'll just look here and forget both those ideas....
ohio 10-Apr-2008 01:23
This place went under about the time i bought my first house,now i'm on my third home my how time has passed . I went through the ptl club web pages and one page got me up to speed on everything there .It really will all fade away someday.This web page is so nice to look at im hooked,So i think im just going to look for new commenters and stay tuned in here while i watch tv in my spare room.I hope other people like me a little better now,no matter im stayin....Rock Hill
Rock Hill 10-Apr-2008 00:33
No problem Ohio. You may have noticed my comment on the photo of Jesus loves Doritos. The security guards have caught numerous people trying to damage the statues. Some as minor as eggs.....one man with a hacksaw.
Toledo ohio. 09-Apr-2008 23:11
Thank you Rock Hill,thats what I was after and I appreciate your quick responce.I dont know If you noticed but our remarks were used on the search for ghosttown page...neato huh.....If you want me to say something just direct it to ohio and i'll do my best.Other than that i want to be silent ,i have joked enough ,found out all i wanted and i dont want to be a troll.
Rock Hill 09-Apr-2008 21:55
There is still some vacant land left. The go cart track is overgrown and the asphalt is broken away but the land is there. The waterpark land is still there even though the park was demolished. All in all I would spectulate about 50 percent of the land has been used up or is marked for future use. The train tracks were removed years ago.
OHIO is back 09-Apr-2008 18:53
Rock Hill how many vacant acres out of the 2,000 + acres would you say is still vacant acrerage ? Include train track ,go cart track and things of that sort,please.
Guest 09-Apr-2008 18:07
I only come here with a sence of humor and a grain of salt....I luv this web page and im a former AG church member, I changed churches after this failed event...
Guest 09-Apr-2008 16:46
dont worry about anyone getting slamed here the irs took care of that....
Bob-east L A 08-Apr-2008 02:11
You think you have problems,the ground is shaking...
Waldo Pepper 08-Apr-2008 02:08
Who cares...
Guest 08-Apr-2008 02:06
Do the elevators work ?
6.....6.....6 08-Apr-2008 01:26
Is Flames of Fire a steak house ?
Detroit...hey dude.... 07-Apr-2008 23:54
Regent Park should bring in a carnival.......put Jim Bakker in the dunk tank.....
Guest 07-Apr-2008 17:50
Thanks Rock Hill...
Rock Hill 07-Apr-2008 08:04
Balmoral and some other developments (due to CRS I can't remember the other housing development names) are on some of the property. The roads have been changed several times and new ones added (A.O. Jones most noteably). Fort Mill School district bought a tract off of Farmhouse Rd. Flames of fire bought the upper room. The grand, tower, and castle are owner by Morningstar. I do not know who owns the barn. Some of the cabis are being moved for houses. Some of the people got 20 years of rentals in the cabins as a settlement to the original timeshare fiasco. I think that all of those are fufilled. Lakeside lodges are owned by a private investor. The Malasian development company is selling the pyramid. Narroway owns or at least uses the theatre. The campground for campers is still there.
Guest 07-Apr-2008 02:25
Is some of the vacant property zoned for retail or home development ? Thats alot of unused acreage !
Guest 07-Apr-2008 01:25
I just placed a comment on a Tammy Faye web page saying it would be nice if Tammy chose to have her ashes placed at Heritage.
Guest 07-Apr-2008 00:49
Awhile back I tried to spook that comercial guy with things about the devil but I think the devil came after me,so i'll never do that again...
Guest 07-Apr-2008 00:26
I would like to go to that bar at the outer banks with Rock Hill and talk about ptl for hours ,he knows so many things about Heritage and I like the subject so much I wish I could make a documentary about it....
Guest 07-Apr-2008 00:12
They seem mean spirited to me and rude.....They are not what this place was it was so great to see as a tv viewer...
Rock Hill 06-Apr-2008 23:31
It has been quite a few posts wothout a commercial from the Morningstar folks. They can't stand for us to post without the commercials.
religion+politics 06-Apr-2008 17:16
I'm leaving to go to cnn web page and talk politics now keep the [faith] here ptl lovers....
Guest 06-Apr-2008 16:29
If you go to a bar theres always a fight but you can still have fun....same goes for this....I mean it really....
floating down Oh. river..... 06-Apr-2008 16:04
Rock Hill I have had a blast here for 3 months and I learned alot,you were good to meet so stay around....I will too but I intend to stay out of commentary.....
Guest 06-Apr-2008 15:57
Let this board be the new PTL club.....come on in speak up......its fun here.....
Rock Hill 06-Apr-2008 15:30
Ohio,
I have enjoyed talking to you and others. You are correct that there is still a lot to talk about but I try to be careful and articulate my opinions without making too many people mad. I agree with some posts and disagree with others but try not to slam anyone. I find it interesting that someone can have a view (positive or negative) and others can't stand to see someone with a different point of view. Take care bro. As you know not everyone that you encounter here is as open minded as me.
ohio 06-Apr-2008 14:58
scroll down to the year 2007 and you will find alot of empty space,this was an effort to kick me out....now i'm ready to leave and i'll leave when i'm ready....
ohio 06-Apr-2008 02:11
I hope this board gets busyer without my input,people need to talk about this a sort of self help group can assemulate here its a good thing....I do like the subject matter here theres still plenty that can be discussed...
BUCKEYE STATE 05-Apr-2008 23:01
Many major cities on one side of town has a ghetto side.....Fort Mill seems to only have a little ghosttown and its not so bad to think of it in that lite.....remember when preachers would put up a tent and hold a revival ....I think this place was an example of the church world taking two steps forward and then taking two steps back and learning to stay within its boundaries....
Toledo Oh. 05-Apr-2008 21:40
Thank You Rock Hill you have made my day I really needed some help with my thinking as it relates to God and what is left at this ghostown...Your answer was concise and clear to me....I have talked about alot of things here and left God out of it till today.I was only a tv fan and visited two years in a row on my way to vacation at myrtle beach.After it shut down we only went to main street to look around alittle.Its been a pleasure speaking with you about this place I came here at 2008 and was being goofy alot of the time and I was called childish.Now I want to conclude my thinking on this place and leave.I'm glad to hear you say that you got to be there and enjoy the place before it ended.
Rock Hill 05-Apr-2008 21:07
Ohio,
I do not know if you ever went to PTL in its day. To many people this place was not just a theme park, It was a place where spiritual values that they believed in were practiced by others. To many it was not just a televangelist, theme park, or tv show, it was a place that was a physical manifestation of their beliefs. To some it was odd and a farce; a joke and a b-rated theme park at best. What people took from it and made it was up to them. I enjoyed the time I spent there and while not a devotee of the Bakkers, I did feel the good intentions of those around me. The message was there and is still being preached elsewhere. Ultimately we have to make our own desicion of God and how to live our lives.
Rock Hill 05-Apr-2008 20:51
No one should look for God in a ghost town. The Rock Hill - Fort Mill area has many fine churches and people to help folks along their way. PTL was a unique place that I knew growing up and have good memories of such. I wish the current owners of the properties (Flames of Fire and Morningstar ministries as well as a few others) the best of luck in their endeavours. It is still just a shame to see PTL fade away and the place and people that brought joy to people crumble into nonexistence.
ohio 05-Apr-2008 17:00
Your turn Rock Hill...
ohio 05-Apr-2008 16:57
Till I get an answer I wont stop treating this place like a joke and that the people there are nuts...Rock Hill come back please...
ohio 05-Apr-2008 15:44
Rock Hill have you gone fishin I just think this place is creepy now ,would you try an answer my last question please ?
ohio 05-Apr-2008 15:44
Rock Hill have you gone fishin I just think this place is creepy now ,would you try an answer my last question please ?
ohio 05-Apr-2008 13:37
Sorry Rock Hill I thought you were lost in that ghosttown and didnt know how to find God and I meant to lead you out of there.Do you think God can be found in that ghosttown?Would someone testify to this if so?Now thats what my curiosity is now,so if people still come here I wonder what for?Lets put God back in this for a minute,please......
Rock Hill 05-Apr-2008 13:00
As for church, I do go. My post was not even pro or anti religious. It was just merely an update. Sorry if anyone took it as a personal slam.
saved 04-Apr-2008 11:56
After this three nabors about my age passed away,I went to church every sunday they never did......
Guest 03-Apr-2008 03:35
When I was thirteen yrs. old I went walking through the woods I felt a sprinkle on my skin. I looked at my arms and clothes and the sprinkles were red.At that moment I felt a blessing from God.
Guest 03-Apr-2008 03:35
When I was thirteen yrs. old I went walking through the woods I felt a sprinkle on my skin. I looked at my arms and clothes and the sprinkles were red.At that moment I felt a blessing from God.
Guest 03-Apr-2008 02:01
When I come to this web page I dont know what im looking for or what makes me come here. I do know where to find God.God is in every church and once you find him and you know God is around God wont leave you.So enter a church and God will find you.I walked into a laundry mat to get change and was late for work as I was leaveing in a hurry a person in a distance said hi Ron i've known you all your life.....later at work I thought that person had to have been an angel.
Guest 03-Apr-2008 00:18
I'm curious to know if Tammy Faye's ashes were scatterd at Heritage,it would be a good thing. My cousin had her ashes scatterd at her favorite park,she had good memories there.The Bakkers raised there family at Heritage and there are plenty of good memories there.It still looks like a good place to walk a dog or ride a bike or jog.
Guest 03-Apr-2008 00:04
So Rock Hill stop driving around that ghosttown and find a nice church in Fort Mill, at least visit one it would do you good...
im here hes there 27-Mar-2008 01:30
there are numerous j. bakker web pages i have invited the web pages that dislike the bakkers to come visit this web page and see what was left behind.its pitiful to see.yet there are still fans out there.if the bakkers could reconcile with there former church it would help.a true legend out of reach for any church.im glad i can come here and be out of reach from that guy.
fort sex....... 26-Mar-2008 23:06
churchy ?
Guest 26-Mar-2008 19:54
A Kia cant be a Chevy.........
lord of lords ? 26-Mar-2008 19:22
Im not sure that i approve of anything religious here now simply because i only like mainstream denominations in churches,if you say you are a christian ministry i think oh really and am troubled by that.The Bakkers were de-frocked by a mainstream church so they are not my kind of people anymore.Like I said here before if this place is not listed in the fort mill church diretory in the yellow pages i have a problem with your presence here.A whos who of sorts........
Oh my......Oh dear...... 26-Mar-2008 18:22
When I found this web page i just assumed it would be re-establisihed as a christian resort.I had to read alot to discover how things are now.I would drive by all the nice churches in fort mill and say to myself all is well.This place is just a memory now for me,christians made it what it was and thats special.my playful antics and ignorance about how things are now caused a tiff here for others who dont get my lingering thoughts.oh well when i arrive i have to say something .people are so upset by me and i just dont get that at all !I dont think hotels are needed there now either so i would foget that.Everyone that looks at this has got to move on and i have ,this web page is a good thing for me and this board makes it even better. I like you all even if i tick someone off ,i really want to be friendly because this place was christian and that means something.
Rock Hill 26-Mar-2008 15:51
Several days ago my wife and I went by the property. The upper room appears to still be closed (probably to the mold issue). The barn restoration appears to be complete or near completion even though I am not sure who owns the building. The castle appears to be in a further state of decline (you can see the I -beams through the interior walls and floors). No work appears to have started on the tower. I am still curious, what will be rebuilt and what structures will one day be a distant memory......a ghost town in our minds.
Guest 23-Mar-2008 15:27
Go to church and read your bible,stay away from folly.I really care about restoration here and its good to know.Fond memories keep me hopful for things here.
Exodus 22-Mar-2008 15:31
The Red sea parted and somehow I ended up in Branson Mo.
upper room 22-Mar-2008 15:12
So this is hillbilly heaven,what would JESUS think ?
holybejesus ! 22-Mar-2008 14:48
I can tell the buildings didnt matter as much as the money and sex !
door is locked 20-Mar-2008 17:46
this web page made me realize how much time has passed i guess nothing can put things back together,i just feel the Bakkers need to be there i so strongly feel that way i cant accept nothing else.polking fun now for me is a result of new directions i cant seem to accept,but i will deal with it because time is certainly moving on.The new directions to me seem like a dead end ploy to all the former and present players,that i cant accept so im stuck.this ghosttown has taken contol of me in my idle time i need to find away owt of here,but im starting to wonder if Tammy Faye is prodding me to stay around for some reason.i dont really know what prompted me to even come to this web page and be so vocal about things i have entered a maze.
its monumental 20-Mar-2008 03:35
There needs to be a statue monument of the Bakkers at the ptl property. I cant separate them from this place , and to me its not right to do so.Like they say well you had to be there,and I was. If you wer'nt then you cant grasp the point of this idea so dont try.
look up 18-Mar-2008 01:06
Jim Bakker could work on the space station and be closer to god and ex wife Tammy
Hillary 18-Mar-2008 00:34
oops you spelled presence wrong
ghostly boo boo 18-Mar-2008 00:12
if your hanging around this ghosttown say something that shows your goully presents i promise not to bother anyone i have exhausted the subject awhile back i've had lots of fun here upsetting folks is even funnyer any anger here is being silly i know a lost cause when i see one
Hillary 17-Mar-2008 23:59
oops you misspelled consider
my style & yours 13-Mar-2008 02:59
im conciderd a troll to recon with while one copies pages of gobbledy goock
Guest 13-Mar-2008 02:51
what dictates what /
flury so what 13-Mar-2008 02:49
as for me I cant look at this and think religion thats why I present a problem here to some and as you know dont give a rats ass
swan song 13-Mar-2008 02:27
what really ruined all this? - RELIGION!!!!!!!!
Guest 13-Mar-2008 02:12
the only thing facinating here is the architecture thats the only thing i'm looking at and the only thing worth discussing as far as i'm concerned.
Guest 13-Mar-2008 01:13
Jim Bakker compares to Richard Nixon and should act accordingly
Guest 13-Mar-2008 00:48
snippers stop
Stigma 13-Mar-2008 00:19
lets continue properly folks
inspired 12-Mar-2008 23:59
Jim Bakker was a good architect and should have been permitted to complete some projects,a ministry of any sort is demeaning to him now he needs to be an architect,in that area he should do more because he has vision for it and its to be admired still at Heritage usa.He should leave any ministry altogether.
by whom? 12-Mar-2008 23:24
serious tiff here
@#$%&+=? 11-Mar-2008 23:07
~!@#$%^&*(+=?
Breaking News 10-Mar-2008 15:33
Troller has stopped
CNN headline news 10-Mar-2008 14:28
headline news weather and sports top of the hour :
funding ? 09-Mar-2008 20:29
Towers = Godzilla / hunky,dorry / this should trouble your mind /
Guest 08-Mar-2008 23:28
im going to the Towers to drink beer join me
Guest 08-Mar-2008 23:19
stop crying i'll be your friend calm down
im first 08-Mar-2008 23:05
your following me thats good
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:44
this shall enter your space digest
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:41
lost world to be in
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:39
humble me
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:39
Jesus virus
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:37
can i shake your hand ?
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:35
[ new visitors need ]
tiny 08-Mar-2008 22:34
yourspace has kicked my ass you win
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:18
pork chop
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:17
fix the porch
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:15
get closer to me ooh
sinner 08-Mar-2008 22:14
leave me alone
Gomez 08-Mar-2008 22:12
stunned
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:11
rage
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:10
stink
Guest 08-Mar-2008 22:10
glory
Pee Wee 08-Mar-2008 22:08
what?
Guest 08-Mar-2008 21:56
Kiss
Hillary 08-Mar-2008 21:55
oops
Guest 08-Mar-2008 20:14
turf protector here works at the ghosttown
Guest 08-Mar-2008 20:10
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Guest 08-Mar-2008 19:58
what you have here is a selective service
Guest 08-Mar-2008 19:49
crack that nut billy jo bob junior it takes time and space here
Guest 08-Mar-2008 19:31
in know thats taco nuts
jeeeeesssss golly 08-Mar-2008 19:28
all this empty space the guys chokeing the chicken and an angel is standing over him
Hillary 08-Mar-2008 19:07
opps
Guest 08-Mar-2008 19:05
and this will enter your mind and come out your ass
how luvly 08-Mar-2008 18:59
this page looks as if a curse has occured and i cant respond to it and there is better places to be the guys name responsible makes me gag talk about over the top really but another generaton is comming in to play and they have a softer side not many words are needed now i have said too much just passing time in DEAD part of winter wow people are so harsh at this site i dont know what the FUSS is about and i will not continue on tooshea ollea ondrea parpha taco nuts and whatever
Guest 08-Mar-2008 18:44
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find your way out 08-Mar-2008 18:10
all this shall enter your mind /
Guest 08-Mar-2008 18:04
im starting to feel all alone here would lay hands on me and believe - ooh yes
give it up 08-Mar-2008 17:26
>>>>WARNING<<<< religious virus here hes too selective about this page and it eerks me and him - sorry
keeping you company? 08-Mar-2008 17:21
sring has sprung im leaving only if you behave
Guest 08-Mar-2008 16:50
if things get busy i will leave im not a spoiler im dealing with Dick at the momwet one on one
slow south 08-Mar-2008 16:38
join in everyone thats why its the WWW
Guest 08-Mar-2008 16:35
i dont need an angel standing over me while i chock the chicken
Guest 08-Mar-2008 16:20
this shall enter your mind
Hillary 08-Mar-2008 16:20
kissy,kissy, oops
Guest 08-Mar-2008 16:18
thers a religious nut takeing up too much space you push that button and so can I dip shit
Bill Maher 08-Mar-2008 16:15
so can i get some pot there ?
Guest 08-Mar-2008 15:23
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Guest 08-Mar-2008 15:14
i would have left but things are slow,by the looks of it there's plenty of room
Guest 08-Mar-2008 15:11
pick up the pieces,why
messenger 08-Mar-2008 15:06
ghosttown guy your nuts cuz you must work there im trying to help you see the lite
Guest 08-Mar-2008 14:58
WWW get it
godly's only ? 08-Mar-2008 14:57
i remember this place and what sum do when no one is looking ,its thewww dont try and be so selective here just leave
sticky 08-Mar-2008 14:37
this shall enter your mind
Guest 08-Mar-2008 14:36
Kiss
Hillary 08-Mar-2008 14:35
opps
Jew 08-Mar-2008 14:22
dont worry im a jew i always go where the money is
HAUNTED 08-Mar-2008 14:13
ARE YOU SCARED..........RUN AWAY.........FLY BY NITE.........
KAPP 08-Mar-2008 13:44
PLEASE BE AWARE OF A TROLL IN MY SITE!
Guest 08-Mar-2008 13:43
WARNING>>>>This website has a internet troll<<<<WARNING
Guest 08-Mar-2008 13:43
WARNING>>>>This website has a internet troll<<<<WARNING
Guest 08-Mar-2008 13:43
WARNING>>>>This website has a internet troll<<<<WARNING
Guest 08-Mar-2008 13:43
WARNING>>>>This website has a internet troll<<<<WARNING
Guest 08-Mar-2008 13:37
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
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Guest 08-Mar-2008 02:19
Kiss
Guest 08-Mar-2008 01:30
and this shall enter into your mind
bye 08-Mar-2008 01:15
list of things boogy whoogy
Guest 08-Mar-2008 01:05
so stay and you will never live it down im trying to tell ya
Guest 08-Mar-2008 01:00
someone fly a plane into the towers
ghost of 08-Mar-2008 00:54
hail Hitler
big bucks 08-Mar-2008 00:51
enough money made here enough is enough
from the 80's 08-Mar-2008 00:41
That place sure does have a Heritage
Vampire 08-Mar-2008 00:28
FRIGHT NIGHT
Godzilla 08-Mar-2008 00:26
Meeting in the Towers
BAT out of HELL 08-Mar-2008 00:15
Wait for me
SPELL 08-Mar-2008 00:09
Hocus pocus abra cadabra whoooooooooshhh pooooofffff
DEMON 08-Mar-2008 00:00
Dont play with me church BOY
LUCIFER 07-Mar-2008 23:54
Oh this is small potatos
DEVIL 07-Mar-2008 23:52
I thought I screwed this place up
SATAN 07-Mar-2008 23:47
Did you summon me?
Guest 07-Mar-2008 23:39
theres a nut at the ghosttown
Hillary 07-Mar-2008 23:36
OPPS
Guest 07-Mar-2008 23:32
Showers of blessings yea right
Guest 07-Mar-2008 23:29
You want sinners I hope you get more than you bargain for it can happen and you ar'nt ready I can tell
Guest 07-Mar-2008 23:23
07-Mar-2008 19:42
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
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YOU ARE 07-Mar-2008 23:19
A true wierdo
Guest 07-Mar-2008 23:16
Hit the buttons go goof ball jerk do it virus wow wee
point is what? 07-Mar-2008 23:13
If I get a break in the weather I'm gone this is totally dumb,create a virus gimme a break
Guest 07-Mar-2008 23:11
07-Mar-2008 19:42
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.





















































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY 07-Mar-2008 22:57
Hit the buttons virus goofball jerk do it do it go man go run as fast as you can
Guest 07-Mar-2008 22:25
Its ok to try again but dont push it on me, you push your envelope then i can do the same / truce
wrongful 07-Mar-2008 22:19
Dont mention it grey area
marked place 07-Mar-2008 22:15
one guy left here in tears why was that
ungodly crepped in 07-Mar-2008 22:12
we are not on the same page are we
say yes 07-Mar-2008 21:50
will you look out while i skinny dip in the lake
Guest 07-Mar-2008 21:31
If you fall in the mud I wont pick you up that happened once before
Guest 07-Mar-2008 21:28
Look there thats go down this path follow me
Guest 07-Mar-2008 21:23
If you dont like unsavory thinking then leave here why do you stay and seem to run away you have issue I dont want to know I visit ghosts here only
Guest 07-Mar-2008 21:17
Fort Mill has a church that I like and its not at the ghosttown,sorry
buzz 07-Mar-2008 21:10
web page has a serious virus shoo fly shoo
Guest 07-Mar-2008 21:07
dog fight.......
whooooooooooooohhhhhh 07-Mar-2008 21:04
Empty views here,empty pews there ghost all around /
Guest 07-Mar-2008 19:42
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
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oh god 07-Mar-2008 14:27
sweet........
Guest 07-Mar-2008 14:18
i put sugar in my tea,do you
evaluator man 07-Mar-2008 13:51
turn the other cheek i have many times here learn from me i've come full circle just treat me like an adult or i will get you / lying in wait
pee wee 07-Mar-2008 12:55
creepy
virus 07-Mar-2008 03:02
waiting........
Guest 07-Mar-2008 02:47
its easy to make a list of things here / bedtime
Guest 07-Mar-2008 02:41
you have inpolite behavior amoung other things im sure ad guy
Guest 07-Mar-2008 02:22
i hate pushy sales people
Guest 07-Mar-2008 02:14
and Fort Mill dosnt need you at all they've got churches a plenty check your phone book
dog 07-Mar-2008 02:07
i come here to visit this web page dont give me a invite to see you i would rather go to the pet shop and avoid people like you
Guest 07-Mar-2008 02:00
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
pick pocket 07-Mar-2008 01:53
you want me in your corner for what??????????????????????????????????????????
buddy 07-Mar-2008 01:51
sickness of some sort?
Guest 07-Mar-2008 01:48
theTowers now thats lonely and how often do you go by there thats disturbing
Guest 07-Mar-2008 01:42
a solution would be to turn the place into a landfill then see all the birds fly around it
do it smarty 07-Mar-2008 01:23
Blink.........
Borat 07-Mar-2008 01:16
ive made my point now am i going to get the same copy of yours ?
was it me ? 07-Mar-2008 01:00
someone has lost it again,was it something i said / why only me i dont get it / it happens only because some are so confused about the ghosttown / to think some still want to make a living there / mind boggling dont you think ?Im not lonely and im not a boy / keep searching dude
Guest 06-Mar-2008 23:57
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
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Oh what a lonely boy..........
Guest 06-Mar-2008 22:57
those people know how to waste space here and there / wasteing time people know better now,not many visitors easy to see why
lost world 06-Mar-2008 21:47
PTL is off tv only wantabe's there now its a ghosttown smoke and mirrors cant bring it back
pumpkin 06-Mar-2008 21:25
vampire meeting at the Towers tonite / subject prey on people like folks before
its only Ruins- looky 06-Mar-2008 20:08
ghosttown at Fort Mill got that ?
Guest 06-Mar-2008 20:04
your over the edge get help like bakker did sermoner guy ..........giggle
to you too nut case 06-Mar-2008 20:00
I prefer a church thats listed in the Fort Mill yellow pages church directory your an unknown religious sum what virus got that goofball jerk ???
Guest 06-Mar-2008 19:05
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.




























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































I feel almost as stupid as you sound...hahahahaha.
Ali - G 06-Mar-2008 18:24
you have become a virus be reasonable c'mon and your cause is dumb try a chevy commercial we need wheels to get there its a fricken ghosttown dummy 50 acres you got forget it get a life junior
Guest 06-Mar-2008 17:55
too much ex-lax huh whooopee
Guest 06-Mar-2008 17:53
how can you pick his brain when hes picking his ass ????????
Guest 06-Mar-2008 17:50
willy nilly theres a void here dont forget to flush dont fall in........chuckle
Guest 06-Mar-2008 10:17
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
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ah...the beauty of a free for all web site........................
Guest 06-Mar-2008 01:24
hey you there with that bible come back here dont you run from me reality shows are all the rage now and you came to the wrong place - reaity buddy not just pie in the sky pass the plate dont run away listen to others not your own tune all the time
Guest 06-Mar-2008 00:03
restock the pond with new fish,the other ones died / luv you xo xo xo
Guest 05-Mar-2008 23:56
in 08 im obnoxious and so is everyone else so far just wear clean uderwear if you go there people there get up close and personal
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:39
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.




























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































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Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:38
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:38
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:37
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:37
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:37
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:37
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:36
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:36
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:36
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:36
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:36
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:36
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 05-Mar-2008 13:36
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
idiots? 05-Mar-2008 05:19
its only one line be kind
not around dont care 05-Mar-2008 02:01
im sleeping on this tomorrow any reply wont matter new day so forget it im out shoveling the snow the damn south sent up here
.com glitch 05-Mar-2008 01:50
if im a troll your a virus.......hack.......hack........hack
its fishy 05-Mar-2008 01:16
restock the pond with new fish
cummin down 05-Mar-2008 00:22
theres a storm outside im on a roll to get my mind off it
mr tv 05-Mar-2008 00:18
put barres on the towers windows let the guy who had it built look out of them make sure he has a video camera he has to have a camera at all times he can stay there for ever more
Guest 04-Mar-2008 23:56
by a church lady wearing a tight bra ?
zapp the guy 04-Mar-2008 23:45
oh jesus i pushed the envelope too far im gonna get zapped oh no god........
north n south 04-Mar-2008 23:18
why is the south sending bad weather up north, thats why im back in a moody way
constapation 04-Mar-2008 23:05
its just things on my list of things,easy to ignore
stone throwers 04-Mar-2008 22:36
so dismiss me and move on so i can leave
luv it why 04-Mar-2008 22:13
careful dont go there i mean it you will get spanked
Guest 04-Mar-2008 21:43
notice - shame on me i will be back to shame on you - bye now
Guest 04-Mar-2008 21:08
converts only / the other recipe was a disaster
Guest 04-Mar-2008 20:46
Wont brian pick,only bird with the same feather welcome change the recipe alittle
Guest 04-Mar-2008 19:45
IS EVERYONE really welcome there ?
Guest 04-Mar-2008 19:14
O'Mary mother of God visit this place :
Ali - G 04-Mar-2008 18:24
may i interview you?
Borat 04-Mar-2008 01:38
im here,why?
Guest 04-Mar-2008 00:42
oh glory i was raised to do right drop my pants and stand up straight
lots of lust 03-Mar-2008 20:05
land still available,hotel vacantcy's
Guest 03-Mar-2008 19:07
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
olive 03-Mar-2008 18:05
leaving now Popeye's on
get drunk 03-Mar-2008 17:28
yes,holy rapture,lastdays?
jesus god 03-Mar-2008 16:48
black guy ooold guy and panty wastes
Guest 03-Mar-2008 16:40
look whos running for president i want to go hide in the Towers till its over
mov on .org 03-Mar-2008 16:25
sorry,final thoughts /
winner takes all 03-Mar-2008 16:18
money......matters........
conflict 03-Mar-2008 16:00
when HBO came on PTL went off /
HBO 03-Mar-2008 15:50
[L,N,]
Guest 03-Mar-2008 15:35
only problem i have with muslims is how they cover-up,all thats needed is band aids or a sock
Guest 03-Mar-2008 14:47
two different prophets same god so what the heck lets kiss and hug and they give me a good deal on beer at their party store kindred spirits
Guest 03-Mar-2008 14:35
the opposite of christian is muslim deal with it slow southerners /
Guest 03-Mar-2008 14:07
the middle east people are on the scene [enjoy]
zipper down? 03-Mar-2008 13:46
let me get dressed before i leave-bye ptl unfriendly folks
bitchy folks 03-Mar-2008 13:36
dont be so upset cuz i can kick the can down the road better than you without being inpolite to others i only surround myself with good people and there isnt any here so im gone
Guest 03-Mar-2008 02:40
there will be a Easter egg hunt at the Towers this Easter all is invited sky is the limit
fun fun fun 03-Mar-2008 02:12
Entertaining is what this place is about and i tried to do my share the past 2 months here / sure did ruffle some feathers and thats funny to me
Duncan 03-Mar-2008 01:25
Kappasigmapi i feel sick i cant take it any more this is giving me a sick feeling looking at all this hand out some pepto please / thanks for the board it has helped me even though sum dont get it / im a playful person and probably wrong about alot still i like to interact here my time has gone
buy there 03-Mar-2008 01:12
its only real-estate right
allah 03-Mar-2008 01:04
i sent e-mails to muslim web sites about this page / new nabors are needed here / they are cunning folks look into there eyes you'll see what i mean / and i want to stick it to you inpolite idiots
Guest 02-Mar-2008 23:34
so what else do you people do besides being here and driving around looking for road kill ?
excuse me 02-Mar-2008 22:46
what was that a brain fart
Guest 02-Mar-2008 19:23
Somebody take the computer out of the monkeys cage....please.....
visionary 02-Mar-2008 02:27
now brother and sisters you want to know where im going i have just taken you there / objections then you continue i stand mute now bye god
believers choice ? 02-Mar-2008 01:42
oh little town of Bethlehem
be nice 02-Mar-2008 01:10
dont push their buttons
look East bow down: 02-Mar-2008 00:45
this is a perfect place for muslims to settle plenty of room,a Mosque would look lovely there it so easy to do just pray 5 times a day and your in i know people......
suds can help 02-Mar-2008 00:06
join me lets clap and sing lets jump and shout then crack open a Budwiser
Guest 01-Mar-2008 21:21
i dont feel so good looking at this and listening to hostle people i think i need to Barfffffffffffffffff-ffffffffffff-ffffffffffff
Guest 01-Mar-2008 18:16
sorry its ghosty there now forgive me for latter only pictuers to go by
come to Kevins house 01-Mar-2008 18:04
im living in Kevins house come visit me i have a big screen tv preachers look bigger than life come look find your way some how help me paint the outside
miniclip me 01-Mar-2008 15:03
i just miniclipped my nose hairs gosh it hurt
im happy are you? 01-Mar-2008 14:49
bible belt people are way too up-tight /
Guest 01-Mar-2008 14:44
that said god luvs you dear......
Guest 01-Mar-2008 12:57
Glad to see you are recognizing that you, in a very weird way, are getting your emotional needs met by posting your childish diatribes on this site. You already would have been kicked off of miniclips...what an assclown...
Guest 01-Mar-2008 01:39
my one liners must not be too bad to be used on the ghosttown fort mill search page
ptl was great 29-Feb-2008 15:00
i gave money to ptl and jimmy swaggart i have helped to build two churches in my community i have been a youth church leader and sunday school teacher i ran a church youth club ,my son gave me lots of trouble so i got out of the church scene but now my son has become a nice young man and he goes to church im stuck in the mud i luv people of all faiths including muslims i snuck into there house of prayer to get to know them i study this and that and i really have interest in geology for those who are getting to know me i try never to get angry cuz i have high blood pressure i wish no ill will to anyone
ptl fan guy 29-Feb-2008 13:48
sorry rock hill i thought you might be female because of the delicate phrasing you have you better not be a sissy its been nice talking to you sir
Guest 29-Feb-2008 13:37
i could care less about the place now except for this web page that has gave me some fun and hleip vent some frustration the location could have been anywhere too bad the stain is left in fort mill / when you think about it though the irs can deal a hard hand on any body and it goes on every day / the tax man commeth / i dont get the high car tax in S.C its odd to me but every state gets there revenue some way
Tammy ptl fan 29-Feb-2008 13:21
you know things could have kept moving forward except the irs came down on them and too much money was owed to the gov. ptl club still owes a tax bill thats why it went out of business qwickly no one knew how to help and tv viewers moved on to HBO
Rock Hill 29-Feb-2008 08:06
Nothing likea good cigar....As far as rooms go I believe you are correct. Just a lot of money that has sat there for twenty years.
PTL FAN 28-Feb-2008 21:20
But then again the TOWERS might have been a barter job to the tune i'll save your soul and you build me a hotel ok good
Guest 28-Feb-2008 20:31
my offer was a nice gesture to those who dont like my antics,and im really trying to leave here
ptl fan 28-Feb-2008 20:19
Rock hill do you smoke cigars?
ptl fan 28-Feb-2008 20:16
if my memory servs me correct the Towers has 400 rooms and the time share charge was 1,000. dollars and too many shares were sold and was deemed fraud
Rock Hill 28-Feb-2008 15:36
It has been a few posts since the Morningstar guy has played a commercial. Maybe he is having computer issues? I was working the other day and drove by the tower. I would like to know how much money it took to get it started in the first place. It is just sad to see the tower and the castle rotting away....
Rock Hill 28-Feb-2008 15:27
Broadway at the beach is nice but I am planning a may trip to the outer banks. A bourbon and cigar week.
ghostly 28-Feb-2008 14:07
my boss says you need to do this- my wife says you need to do this- the tv preacher says you need to do this- / with the preacher just turn the channel thats all,and none of this would have happened......
Third base coach 28-Feb-2008 13:31
who's on third?
its sumthin else 28-Feb-2008 01:57
how do you get sumthin then keep sumthin then make sumthin last looky here thats the question aint it .....with a song and a prayer......people are just too lazy to use a paint brush and put on shingles......i just want to put on nice clothes with tv cameras and say glory to god.....people like this are scary and there still around.....so called leaders who needs you to be doers......just do sumthin with the Towers please
Black cat 28-Feb-2008 01:19
where did everybody from 07 go as far as i can tell only two people and myself has been around in 08 guess ghosttowns are like that spirits come and go woooooohhh
ptl beach bum 27-Feb-2008 21:12
im easy to recognize i have a shark tattooed on my right arm / theres a big shark on my screen saver too
ptl fan 27-Feb-2008 20:55
Rock Hill two drinks is enough you have to walk to the beach later / a must.....
ptl fan checking in 27-Feb-2008 20:52
I hope the sovenier shop is in business at H.usa when i come by to pay a visit,i just have to decide to drive or fly into Charlotte,i want to go marvel at the Towers again and to think that an offering plate built it thats amazing / seriously thats why i want it to become something / christians gave it some meaning and i wont give up hopes for it
Rock Hill 27-Feb-2008 19:58
I don't think that you would have enough money to keep me in drinks.
ptl fan joker 27-Feb-2008 19:38
dont worry i'll pick-up the tab for all my aggrevation here and i'll buy drinks
ptl fan auto / joker 27-Feb-2008 19:28
all you ghosttown readers lets do lunch at Broadway,know where thats at? Then i got to go swim in the ocean
ptl fan / auto worker 27-Feb-2008 19:19
any auto plants in the fort mill area ?
ptl fan-joker 27-Feb-2008 18:51
if i come in that direction im moving to city of Conway S.C i luv it there and i know my way around cuz i've been going there for years /i've been to fort mill two years in a row before things got so bad in condition as they are now at the ghosttown
joker 27-Feb-2008 18:41
sorry about my one liners just trying to kick the can down the road and the commercials were an effort to stop me / it was all in fun anyway / its hard to kid with people who dont know you and by now i've learned thats a good thing
Rock Hill 27-Feb-2008 18:13
Both Fort Mill and Rock Hill are great towns. I live in Rock Hill but work in Fort Mill. The population is skyrocketing down here. I can remember when the area was a third the size.
Guest 27-Feb-2008 18:00
dont feel too bad about being near a ghosttown where i live the town has entire city blocks out of business vacant homes everywhere for sale babyboomers are retiring and leaving in droves / i dont know where everyone is going but i want to go too / east coast sounds good to me
Guest 27-Feb-2008 17:37
im impressed at the fort mill church directory in web yellow pages my church is listed too this town has it all but i live north of the ohio river / fort mill must have good people with all the name brand church's there
Rock Hill 27-Feb-2008 17:29
Well... I come here to talk and remember the way ptl was and the ghost town that is there now. My opinions are probably unique. I am just not a fan of the useless one liners or the Morningstar commercials that get posted.
and-ptl fan 80's 27-Feb-2008 16:58
along the way i have made fun slung mud at this place simply because im upset about it all / i have really had some fun with all this on this web page
ptl fan-1980's 27-Feb-2008 16:33
thank you for your responce rock hill i hope things will go foreward and save the towers structure this gives me alittle more hope for the place,im in such shock at where things stand right now.by accident i found this web page durring sc pres. primary
Rock Hill 27-Feb-2008 16:11
Morningstar is raising funds in an attempt to make the towers a senior center for their pastors and church personel. Councilman Paul Linderman was quoted by the Rock Hill Herald as stating that the project was feesible and would be incorperated into the Fort Mill Town Limits upon completion. The tower, as well as Regent Park, are still in the county. My understanding is that the imcorperation will allow greater flexibility in the design and zoning issues. It will all come down to whether or not MorningStar can fund the project. I am not a fan of the repeat Morningstar messages, but there is a link to the website in one of the previous posts.
Guest 26-Feb-2008 20:40
its my understanding that present tennants are struggling and fate of towers is uncertain ? many locals dislike the towers / its fate is unclear and is separate issue to anything else there ,would someone speak to this ?
Guest 26-Feb-2008 16:17
are the towers doomed or not / any info. / thank you / ???
Guest 26-Feb-2008 13:44
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 26-Feb-2008 01:44
repeat / any info. on the towers / will it become apts. ???
Guest 25-Feb-2008 22:03
For those of you musing this site Morningstar has another commercial.
Guest 25-Feb-2008 20:36
k-shurah, shurah whatever will be will be / london bridge is falling down / and the beat goes on / blight.....
Guest 25-Feb-2008 14:44
waiting for info. about the towers / sounds to me so far people are just whistleing dixie /
Guest 25-Feb-2008 13:52
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 25-Feb-2008 02:48
are things getting serious there or not / all jokes aside / this place is making my attitude do constant 360's / any answers out there?
Guest 25-Feb-2008 02:40
are we just wistleing dixie?
Guest 25-Feb-2008 02:37
i had a building renovation co. look at the towers / a guy told me it would be hard for a co. to get bonded for a job that big / anyone with info.?
Guest 24-Feb-2008 23:41
can the towers be turned into a senior citizen apt. high rise?
ended up in 23-Feb-2008 02:07
we drove to Czar's Palace in Las-Vegas
Guest 23-Feb-2008 02:02
the last time i visited the sky darkend thick fog rolled in my cell phone stopped working i heard laughter and screams as my heart pounded i drove away telling my wife dont look back its god forsaken place
Guest 21-Feb-2008 18:51
how is a ministry different than a church?anything goes / and theres so much wreckage there it cant be disputed till it becomes less visible / look at this holy jesus
Guest 21-Feb-2008 18:42
jim bakker keeps visiting,why?to coach those on how to make a cash cow / theres a new tv show on sundance channel called shameless check it out
Rock Hill 21-Feb-2008 13:52
And yet another Morning Star commercial
Guest 20-Feb-2008 14:49
remember this place is known by the whole country,im not here to engage in conversation with new mgmt. people from all over can come here and say whatever,it should be left alone simple as that,this place is out of business so it dont matter to me about new commericals-dead ghosttown /
Guest 20-Feb-2008 12:56
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 20-Feb-2008 03:54
Tammy Faye is my best memory of this place / tv-show / she was the star of the show /
Guest 20-Feb-2008 03:44
several web pages lets me know ptl is a faded memory / this ghosttown will get taken over by development and vacant fields/ sounds good to me/ it took some time for me to get up to speed its really not a big deal now/ got it all sorted out / others need to do the same and let go of the past.....
Guest 20-Feb-2008 03:12
hospital to for sick people ? yes
Guest 20-Feb-2008 03:07
adding a walmart should be a given / star bucks / gas station / bank......
Guest 20-Feb-2008 02:56
if the buildings can be saved that would be a good thing ,i dont care for what that doesnt matter / im removed from concern over that / dont care to know whos there /would like to see trades people get jobs
Guest 20-Feb-2008 02:39
im really out of the loop so i asked a building renovation co. to look for bids there
Guest 20-Feb-2008 02:02
play tag?
Guest 20-Feb-2008 01:58
can't find this place listed in fort mill yellow pages church directory buyer beware
Guest 18-Feb-2008 02:49
is a shark just a fish / folks be careful there in that ghosttown dont get hurt /
Guest 18-Feb-2008 02:27
past all right,present ok,future not again /
Guest 18-Feb-2008 02:06
dont Rx me
Guest 18-Feb-2008 00:57
a high risk factor there?
Guest 17-Feb-2008 23:52
I study geology im hoping the earth will open up and swallow this ghosttown at fort mill
Guest 17-Feb-2008 23:19
i need high speed
Guest 17-Feb-2008 23:17
cut my spelling some slack somebody neethe ph./ im on dial up moneys to tight for dial-up
Guest 17-Feb-2008 22:49
dont Rx me
Guest 17-Feb-2008 22:48
laughing,thinking,or mad?
Guest 17-Feb-2008 22:18
use simple minded people dont ask qwestions just believe?
Guest 17-Feb-2008 20:47
all i can say church ladies is be glad im not muslim,[cover yourselfs-up]
Guest 17-Feb-2008 18:00
red flag / red herring /
Guest 17-Feb-2008 17:48
its misleading to say the towers can be renovated i have some facts from another web page that says it would be to costly to do / multi-millions / someone is dreaming again down there in fort mill
Guest 17-Feb-2008 15:54
you people dont know how to blog about,whats really wrong ?its best to leave religion out of this on this paticular page thats where the irritation comes from.just look at the ruins and sigh / wow / wee /
Guest 17-Feb-2008 00:07
how can a hotel and a church be one and the same?
Guest 17-Feb-2008 00:06
how can a hotel and a church be one and the same?
Rx / 17-Feb-2008 00:01
Rx /Rx /Rx /
Guest 16-Feb-2008 15:21
lets testify
Guest 16-Feb-2008 15:20
muslim?
Guest 16-Feb-2008 15:04
why do sum want to control a troll......chrisitan?
Guest 16-Feb-2008 14:35
come together...right now...over me...
Guest 16-Feb-2008 14:05
heip me i took viagra,and i come here to think out loud about this ghosttown waiting for others
BTDT 16-Feb-2008 12:50
The internet troll has taken over...please go take your meds and leave this site alone.
Guest 16-Feb-2008 01:23
someone said yesterday all they do out there is kill time
Guest 16-Feb-2008 01:02
why is it called international now middle east ties?
Guest 15-Feb-2008 23:38
this is not how you go about turning something into a gentlemens club
visitors there??? 15-Feb-2008 23:11
close the curtains,lite the candles,get in a circle,hold hands,close your eyes/ wait......
c,mon stryker 15-Feb-2008 22:50
people visit here like a virus,it gives me a rush-stunning/ holy toledo/ gee golly bob/
Guest 15-Feb-2008 20:33
can lighting strike twice?yes
wizzard 15-Feb-2008 17:46
alot of whats being said right now is aimmed at the guy who comes here to be a spoiler/ get under his skin again i know what to say and how to say it,make him happy
saint? 15-Feb-2008 17:26
i dont drink or smoke or tell dirty jokes thats good enough
saint? 15-Feb-2008 17:26
i dont drink or smoke or tell dirty jokes thats good enough
summon evil? 15-Feb-2008 17:17
i look at this place and i think we can all stir the pot,witches brew
Rock on 15-Feb-2008 16:53
I do understand the devils handy work,i do some of that to cuz im not following straight and narrow at the moment.I found a music rock album titled a passion play,i liked the singing and the music by music group jethro tull.I discovered the album is all about the devil literally.so the devil can find his way without any help.
BTDT 15-Feb-2008 12:33
Hey Ron...see what I mean...this place is a joke and does not reflect PTL in a good or bad light..it is just a bunch of perverts talking about stuff they saw on TV.(with few exceptions)
folksy 15-Feb-2008 02:44
what goes on in fort mill stays in fort mill
run/ go/ now 15-Feb-2008 02:26
when the monitor guy sees this he will be livid
dont look 15-Feb-2008 02:22
[v,l,n,sc,]
gettin deep 15-Feb-2008 02:10
i got a feelin im gonna catch hell again
i wunder? 15-Feb-2008 02:07
if a guy can go on tv and bulid old husa,why can't i come here and talk about it without opposition?
sits way back there: 15-Feb-2008 01:54
rogue christians at fort mill?
painter needed? 15-Feb-2008 01:50
i still think jim bakker should come back to resume his work at fort mill and grab a paint brush,bakker kids can help too.
snoop dog 15-Feb-2008 01:45
is there a chicken place like say a kfc at fort mill?
Guest 15-Feb-2008 00:20
The right place to find players,Jimmybakkerville at Fort Mill ghosttown
Guest 15-Feb-2008 00:07
You guys know how to kick the can down the road
Guest 14-Feb-2008 23:46
Southern babes are nice church ladies to I love the south,I've got kin folk in AL.
Thumpper: 14-Feb-2008 23:41
I know the bible please be nice to me,please
Guest 14-Feb-2008 23:35
I read the entire bible now what?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 23:20
My wife is leaving for Tampa Fl.will you guys keep me company?
Ron 14-Feb-2008 23:11
Like I said Rock Hill,this web page is monitored by the far RIGHT GOP,I'm far left
Money Woes 14-Feb-2008 23:04
I want to go to church,but I won't give money so what should I do?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:50
Jim Bakker has a blond on each arm and the other brokeback mountain actor right behind him
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:43
Can i run naked on all that property at ghosttown fort mill?
GUEST 14-Feb-2008 22:36
YOU GUYS ARE GREAT,ITS ALL IN FUN I'M NOT MAD ARE YOU?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:33
I dont know right from wrong help me H.usa monitors
H.USA monitors? 14-Feb-2008 22:27
Thats right new h.usa monitor us all save us oh god please help us H.usa Jesus,God
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:21
What if you're right?
And Jesus was just another nice guy...what if you're right?
What if it's true?
They say the cross will only make a fool of you and what if it's true?
What if he takes his place in history
With all the prophets and the kings
Who taught us love and came in peace
But then the story ends
What then?
But what if you're wrong?
What if there's more?
What if there's hope you never dreamed of hoping for?
What if you jump?
And just close your eyes?
What if the arms that catch you, catch you by surprise?
What if He's more than enough?
What if it's love?
What if you dig
Way down deeper than your simple-minded friends
What if you dig?
What if you find
A thousand more unanswered questions down inside
That's all you find?
What if you pick apart the logic
And begin to poke the holes
What if the crown of thorns is no more
Than folklore that must be told and retold?
You've been running as fast as you can
You've been looking for a place you can land for so long
But what if you're wrong............
BTDT 14-Feb-2008 22:17
Just so all of you new posters know...there are many, many that come on here and use profanity, gross and prevented comments slamming all things PTL. They hide behind whatever names the care too and nothing is ever monitored by Kapp. While this appears to me a site to talk about old HUSA it really is about slamming and making fun of very real people one of whom is deceased now. They will not care they will continue to make fun of the dead and everything HUSA. Nothing comes good from this site except the old photos.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 22:07
To quote Eric Cartman all of these redundant posts "suck donkey balls".
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:06
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:05
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:05
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:04
I told you Rock Hill,it's H.USA monitor,preachers son the brat
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:04
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:03
Just killin time
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 22:03
I don't know which is worse the copycat or the Morningstar commercial
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:02
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:01
Just killin time
Ron 14-Feb-2008 22:01
That was't my post about soap operas either,Jesus
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:01
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:00
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:00
there are alot of us guests witch one you talken bout
Guest 14-Feb-2008 22:00
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:59
Guest, do you have any HUSA thoughts. I thought maybe you could offer some nuggets of wisdom.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:57
Just killin time
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:57
Just killin time
I am the Real Rock HIl 14-Feb-2008 21:56
Stop copying me at once...this place sucks...be a man or woman and come clean
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:55
My thoughts are how great Morningstar is an wish they had showed up sooner...but I do miss Howard & Vestal
The Real Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:53
The red neck town post was not me. If someone has something to say put it out there on your own name.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:53
My thoughts are how great Morningstar is an wish they had showed up sooner...but I do miss Howard & Vestal
Ron 14-Feb-2008 21:52
I sit at home and watch soap operas now. I can't believe that girl from General Hospital died, she was my favorite.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:51
One of the previous posts and Wikipedia stated that the settlement for the $1000.00 partnerships was less than $10.00 each. Wow. I could see where people could be a little ticked about that one. One of the 1980s interviews on you tube had Bakker stating that he did not know what was happening in regards to the money. The excuse "I am head of an orginazation but do not know what is happening to the money" just doesn't work. Enron reafirrmed that over a decade later.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:51
We have always missed Jim and Tammye and now are very excite to have Morningstar here. They are doing a great job of helping clean up our little red neck town.
Ron 14-Feb-2008 21:47
I quit church so I guess It's better than nothing to come here
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:44
I have said before that my thoughts have concluded about H.usa now I guess I'm just hanging around
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:40
My sense of humor and timing are a little different. Then again I am sure the Morningstar folks wish we would get off of here so they could run another commercial.
Ron 14-Feb-2008 21:35
You answered me with the slow southern post,i remember that
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:30
I only come here to think out loud I don't want to annoy anyone
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:28
I had a friend that worked for Crime Prevntion (a private security company that works on the HUSA grounds) who was almost struck by falling bricks from the tower. I joked with him that hard hats should be standard issue with the guns and tasers.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:25
All of my posts are as Rock Hill except for one I posted as Slow Southener.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:19
Ron I agree. The subject at hand is 1980s HUSA. It is human nature to get a litte off track but the Moringstar commercial should go.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:16
Well ,not all christians are that way. I consider myself christian, but I assure you that I do not or ever will know it all. Lifes too short to try to push everyone around or try to force my views on everyone. I tell people to live and let live. Folks just get too uptight about things.
Ron 14-Feb-2008 21:15
Go to guestbook I have 2 post in a row
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 21:11
I have some positive and some negative views on HUSA. The Yahoo Heritage group that is also advertised here will not allow anything negative on their site. I would surmise if we all thought the same and always argreed then we would not have discussion boards.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:11
Don't forget thats how chrisitans are they know it all
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:06
I think he has pubrity issues
Guest 14-Feb-2008 21:03
All I know is that guy hits me in the head then he leaves he wants to coach me why I don't know?
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 20:34
I thought that this page was run by a female (Kappasigmapi) who is not connected to HUSA. She has always graciously allowed me to post. Her other galleries are good as well and if you read some of her early comments she seems to have a good sense of humor. I do agree with you that the repetitive Morningstar commercial is a little redundant.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 20:31
Probably the preachers bratty son
Guest 14-Feb-2008 20:21
He's been mad at me for weeks scroll down
Guest 14-Feb-2008 20:19
I use Guest because this web page is monitored by someone at the new Heritage usa and he gets worked up easily
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 19:57
A friend reminded me of the nickname for the waterslide "The Wedgiemaster". As you can see in the picture of Falwell you had to cross your legs or you might be embarresed at the endof the slide.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 19:51
I like talking to all of you but it is a little confusing due to all of the Guests. I am not sure which comments go with who.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 19:50
I took my kids to church and it was good,I had a hard time with church rules about money
Guest 14-Feb-2008 19:43
While your at work the Preacher is at the finest restraunt in town
Guest 14-Feb-2008 19:38
Amen Rock Hill........
Guest 14-Feb-2008 19:36
Christian people truly believe in giving 10 percent of income to God's work,and the more you give the more God will bless you back.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 19:09
Well, as far as the catholic church goes a few bad people can tarnish the vastly good majority. The PTL implosion has been explained many different ways. Some say that it was horrible bookkeeping and spending with no malicious intent. Another explainantion is flat out corruption and greed. I have heard one person's opinion that the hand of god himself dealt the deathblow to PTL. My opinion is that it is a combination of the above. Jim went to jail for his wrongdoing and did his time. I am sure that the almighty has forgiven him for that. Would I cut him a check? No. Regardless of the outcome we can all agree on the ghosttown that was left behind.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 18:52
When you can"t do it anymore you need to step and let someone else take over,stress can take over and vision becomes blurred.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 18:29
What explains the Catholic church behavior,there crosses or sins?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 18:24
The Bakkers are an Assemblies Of God church product ,attend that church and you will know they are real.Sins can catch up to anybody thats all.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 17:50
I do not recall a lot of crosses out there either. I never even thought about that until now. I don't even recall crosses in the school they had.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 16:08
I came home from work one nite I was having a beer and turned on the tv and heard Tammy singing on PTL,Iwent and poured my beer out.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 15:53
I am sure that they were good people. I do not think that they woke up one day and thought that they were going to suck people dry. It is just unnatural for people to have all that money and power. After the PTL days Tammy Faye always seemed to be involved in current events and genuinely care about people. No one knows what could have been.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 15:46
I was a tv fan of ptl and it just seemed like a talk show,how one man could speak all that into existence is beond words for me.i only tuned in to see TAMMY I still luv that Lady>
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 15:46
People have speculated about the Bakkers and the money. I do believe that they had good hearts and good intetions at HUSA. I just think that the place and the money was just to big to handle. To be at the helm of HUSA was a huge responsibility. The power and temptation that was there must have been unfathomable. I wish that things like the Jessica Hahn scandal and the money issues could have been solved or avoided in the first place.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 15:40
if the crosses were made of gold they were certainly taken away,but i don't really know about that.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 15:35
The only thing i really miss is Tammy Faye's joyous singing,she was truly an angel.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 15:33
One thing that I herad and maybe you or someone else can confirm is that there were no crosses in any of the buildings at HUSA. I don't remember any but that is not to say that they did not exist. It does strike odd that a church in the south would not have a cross.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 15:08
I know this hurts so bad that i made some silly one liners just to break the ice,i never meant to be mean spirited i really feel so bad about what i see here.i don't want to pick on any one,this is not funny.
Rock Hill 14-Feb-2008 14:47
Thinking back to the 1980s I am still struck by how much has changed here. Several people have quoted that HUSA was the third most visited theme park behind the two Disneys. If you would have told me back then that this place would have decayed to this point I would have called you crazy. To think that Carowinds was right up the road from here and HUSA still put up those kind of numbers is incredible. The view from the top of the tower has changed quite a bit. The housing developments have creeped in as well as other ventures. I have spoken to many a person who would reflect back with misty eyes and remember the past. I would like to discuss HUSA memories with all of you on this board (positive and negative) allthough I am not a fan of smart assed one liners.
ghosttown viewers: 14-Feb-2008 05:56
All new Heritage USA monitoring system in place-careful what you say-and how long you stay
Ron 14-Feb-2008 04:18
go to the guestbook
bye out of here 14-Feb-2008 03:37
you sound like a little twinkie with nothing to do except try an irritate me.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 03:21
if i'm told to leave again i might hurt somebody/ bust a lip.......
Guest 14-Feb-2008 03:17
Dude this place is known for things getting out of hand so don't lecture me again,i'm stunned nothing was maintained,i just assumed it would have been kept-up.scroll down thats why i asked where the money went?it takes money to buy paint/ brushes / shingles and such.you must realize i just found out about this,i'm just now studying the situation.it's almost shocking to see this all jokes aside.i'm not over it yet.Dude your remarks are so worthless/ really.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 02:53
you have your own web page to pitch the new H.usa,I'm looking here at the tragic diaster of yester year so go away and let me do so.Don't distract me from that to change the subject.If your not careful the shoe will drop again.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 02:34
I bet your watching movies[ L,N,SC,]
Guest 14-Feb-2008 02:29
get down on your knees, [and pray]
Guest 14-Feb-2008 02:14
old enough to drink?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 02:12
I don't even know if the guy sounding off at me was born back in the 1980's of ptl?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 02:09
I hope former members will come here and say a thing or 2,six million campers need to look back at this and say what they think about it.you new kids need to stay out of it and out of here to.
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:59
I'm talking about H.usa but I must stop and defend my self from your smart ass attacks so called christian/ just like former idiots there.
Degree? 14-Feb-2008 01:55
Pitch-man did you go to college?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:46
don't compicate this buddy your under the M.Star umbrella give me a break wise guy.Pitch-man?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:37
hey new kid do you know how sleezy your location is,millions thrown away.....
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:24
are you saved mr. ME?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:20
so how many churches are there,i'm confused and i'm not religious,do you luv me to?
woooooh 14-Feb-2008 01:13
I'm channeling Tammy
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:10
why is it so wrong for me to be here please why i like it here???????????????
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:04
why are you so angry just get a divorce?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 01:00
who's posting M.Star Ad's then?
ME TO 14-Feb-2008 00:57
NO
me 14-Feb-2008 00:12
Hey...like I said...I am not Morningstar and have NO affiliation with them.

You are what they call an Internet Troll.....

Don't you have some shuffle board to play?
Guest 14-Feb-2008 00:05
I need to clear the air;I'm not looking for a fight but i don't like personnal attacks on me about H.usa.I will speak up to who ever.morning star people think they are Heritage usa,they are not in my humble opinion with all due respect.Heritage usa died and all is lost, looks very lonely and now so sad to see.a morning star person wants to use this web page about old ptl for there own gain to pitch there new start.Thats wrong to do and to try and involve all who is viewing the RUINS of PTL.
wake up: 13-Feb-2008 17:41
good morning bird brain i'm retired not a child.if your looking for a child i hope you find a cop.
Guest 13-Feb-2008 17:31
It's childish to still be there at a real ghosttown,doing more of the same while being so rude here and then have the nerve to invite me there.How many times did i tell you i go to myrtle beach for fun and churches on on every corner these days.How stuck in the mud are you people?Jesus Christ God.........
Guest 13-Feb-2008 14:16
more do's and dont's from local fort mill folks,its a ghosttown i'm just talking to the ghost like i said they are friendlier bird brain.i can say what i wantabout husa i don't need fort mill proof readers to comment on me.your lucky the 6 million people are not comming here to do just as me.people haven't forgot.and it won't always sound so nice to talk about.when you fire on me i can get nasty buddy.go read your bible and leave me alone. by the way no one else is saying much,they must not care and i don't either.
Guest 13-Feb-2008 13:39
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 13-Feb-2008 13:33
Jim Bakker has already been back several times to HUSA. He does however have his own deal out in MO that is being built and actually is very nice.
You're are not blogging about HUSA. When you actually do make sense it appears you are just mocking it and it is getting very old. Go to one of your "favorite" sites and do this.
I am the fist to say that we should be able to be negative or positive on a blog about a particular subject but you are just stupid and nasty and have the intellect of a 4 year old . Go to another sandbox to take your dumps.
Medic 13-Feb-2008 01:31
good morning bird brain,gotcha.......
Guest 13-Feb-2008 00:46
some things didn't work so try something else and it does have my interest.to see it evolve.posibilities[open letter] for slow people.
Guest 13-Feb-2008 00:20
i'm hoping jay will leave the grunge look in N.Y,maybe he will get a suit and sports car back in Heritage usa,Fort Mill.So for you locals you are behind I can tell by how you act.I'm not playing a game,i'm in the game and i'm looking for a new career this might be the ticket.theres other web pages that can make a fact of this.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 22:50
if morning star incorporates the Bakker family I'm on board,the comeback is in fort mill,Mo.is just a starter.Relax Fort Mill Bill Clinton is heading back to the white house to.Just look the otherway and stay off this web page.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 22:12
could jim bakker be in danger when he comes back to H.usa to resume his work? i'll apply to be his bodyguard if thats the case.gods work must go on jim can put it in overdrive.you fort mill people need to get a life and let j.bakker do his thing.you need more livelyhood than there is now anyway.
trade for Hummer? 12-Feb-2008 21:32
Who got the Rolls Royce?
Guest 12-Feb-2008 20:28
Iam a ptl fan that dosn't care what people say,people fire back at me but never offer any input about the subject.It's a ghosttown i'm just talking to the ghost the're nicer.
don't be mad: 12-Feb-2008 17:19
are you a homeless man living in the towers?
Guest 12-Feb-2008 17:00
no,dah......
Guest 12-Feb-2008 16:58
that said,i still think i have worthwhile input about H.usa,tell me why you don't?are you even thinking about it?
Guest 12-Feb-2008 14:49
are you my mom thats on the rag?
Got it? 12-Feb-2008 14:16
another idiot with do's and dont's
Guest 12-Feb-2008 14:06
go slop the hogs and leave me alone farm boy,were you molested somewhere whats up with you?
Guest 12-Feb-2008 13:48
my meds are viagra now can you help me?
Guest 12-Feb-2008 13:44
if i was a chick with a dick, what would you think?
Guest 12-Feb-2008 13:39
i should have known better,this is the viper room web site,some ar'nt interested cuz they don't have a clue not be here at all.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 13:25
Does your mama know that you are on the computer?
Did you hit your head after a fall?
Seriously dude...take your meds and turn your XBox back on.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 04:38
some are called/ few are choosen
Guest 12-Feb-2008 04:30
vision
Guest 12-Feb-2008 04:18
i know a christian female singing recording star who might help out Pam Thum,she has a web site.i knew her before she got her career/ she can do tv/ she's pretty/ hot
Guest 12-Feb-2008 03:47
morning star is limited something else has to occur,bakker kids could be the key.not unknowns that won't work there.who am i? thats what promoters do.i'am a deep seated man of the faith ,born into it just like bakker kids.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 03:19
the bakker kids should team up and do a tv show for our youth,if the bakker daughter can sing that would be a plus.use morning star for a spring board.get dads help for tv production-advice.seriously/ i would think it's great.next generation talent.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 02:52
does anyone know the money trail when it ended?did government sieze the cash or do think it got hidden in secret accounts?someone got the money,don't say falwell i hope not.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 02:05
why are you concerned about what one say's here,if you don't like just stay out.sounding off shows your ignorance.
Guest 12-Feb-2008 00:50
is it ok to talk in tongue's?
huh? 12-Feb-2008 00:27
who's mothering this web page with do's and dont's?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 23:59
I will always be a ptl fan,i loved that show jim and tammy were great,i forgive jim he did 5 yr.s i spent one hr. in jail and that was enough for me.please don't attack this comment......
Guest 11-Feb-2008 23:49
someone has to channel Tammy Faye so is that ignorant?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 23:04
i've been talking about H.usa and all i get is personal attacks,and i wonder is this chistian people?so i keep going till i figure it out + it is winter,winter sport
Guest 11-Feb-2008 22:36
H.usa was built by a guy just talking thats all
Guest 11-Feb-2008 22:28
like i said i don't need schooling to come here
Guest 11-Feb-2008 22:25
i like comming to a dead church to meet people
Guest 11-Feb-2008 22:20
this is no worse than sitting in a bar listening to people talk,ever done that ?get out alittle.....
Guest 11-Feb-2008 22:11
Some of you like to see your own posts too much. What's wrong, nobody will talk to you at home. If you are not talking about the old HUSA then why are you here?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 22:11
menapause anyone?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:50
some of you need a ocean front room at myrtle beach,relax i do it all the time it helps.
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:32
im not a fort mill local,i'm a highroller and i get around thats why i'm here ,none of this came about on the cheap.
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:22
besides i'm not childish,i have lots of money,do you need some,money talks?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:18
c,mon say nice things,please?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:15
i don't need a college degree to come here,it's still a awesome place,people are still to up tight about all this don't be so hard on yourself.
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:11
Like I said ..... childish
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:10
some people talk like the're god and so correct and right on it's sickening
Guest 11-Feb-2008 21:05
i always spell wrong whwn i have to pee/ scratch ass
Guest 11-Feb-2008 20:54
This was an easy target back then and now the internet makes it an even easier one for those who are ignorant. Ignorance breeds more ignorance.
Guest 11-Feb-2008 20:48
look around you we're still learning how to do this and how did we go wrong?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 20:44
please explain whats really troubling you?lost a friend?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 20:40
now have a nice day......
Guest 11-Feb-2008 20:38
i know how to spell laxitive,had yours need enema?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 20:11
It would be nice to see actual people who know how to spell and use proper grammer on websites. You all sound so stupid and childish. Grow up!
Guest 11-Feb-2008 19:19
does jim bakker ever come to fort mill just to hang out?party boy knows where the action is or how to make it happen his old play ground.
Guest 11-Feb-2008 17:13
any hanky panky in those abandond buildings?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 16:56
fort mill rock this web page sound off i want to know everything/secrets?what really goes on there?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 16:48
please god shine a light on me/jesus luvs me this i know for the bible told me so.....
Guest 11-Feb-2008 16:42
this web page is not about morning star it's about ptl tv show 1980's stick to your own web page morning star stop interuping with redundant commercials,please/let us alone to discuss other topics.we know you got your little 50 acres.I have a lower 40 up north-so?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:52
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:51
Who's on third?
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:51
With a great big kiss from me to you wont you say you love me too
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:50
G H O S T in the Towers
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:49
come on
somebody post something i am so lonely
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:49
crack is cheap in Fort mill
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:48
Fort Mill always hated that place
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:48
I know a lot more then you about it mister H USA.
Go save whales
Guest 11-Feb-2008 13:47
Not Morningstar jut more informed then an internet junkie.

For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
t 11-Feb-2008 13:46
t
Guest 11-Feb-2008 01:05
The new Rambo movie is a real eye opener to chrisitans who like there cosey churches,it's about missionary work in Burma.
speak-up: 11-Feb-2008 00:19
Except for morning star theres not much interest in H.usa these's day's but thats common some are church goer's some ar'nt.I wanted to read more comments but it has expired here this year so far.I have been trying to spark interest and rambling on but i guess no one is here except morning star,and thats understandable.contnuing comments would be nice.i was saying anything to get remarks,i got hostel people firing back.now morning star wants me out of here,should i go?
Ron in Mi. 10-Feb-2008 23:24
I have read many fort mill web pages and many local people are happy about the end of ptl because it reduced the traffic level.many said the motels would have made it even worse.In time the towers will probably be torn down.I had long forgtten ptl until the s.c primary was held.It was then i got on line to look up ptl and i found this web page.now i'm up to speed about it all to date.It will forever be a christian effort,and only a sad legacy the envelope was pushed to far and that is easy to understand now.At first i thought it could re-emerge ,i found out different when i found this web page.Time really took a toll on the place.I like myrtle beach as far as resorts go,i only go to church for weddings.
Guest 10-Feb-2008 22:17
Pawn it?
funding? 10-Feb-2008 22:11
New paun shop opens in fort mill for folks needing cash.
Guest 10-Feb-2008 20:05
G H O S T T O W N in F O R T M I L L..........
Guest 10-Feb-2008 19:58
this is not a outreach page it's a web page to close the book on the ruins of 1980's PTL.And I learned alot here about it all,it's a lonely lost sad place.Now i'm moving on.
Guest 10-Feb-2008 17:38
day late dollar short or decade late a million short?
Guest 10-Feb-2008 12:54
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 10-Feb-2008 06:52
"someone ate from the wrong tree" "Leave this place" Amen:
Copy This? 09-Feb-2008 23:44
yes,copy......
Golly 09-Feb-2008 23:07
same old tune.......
Guest 09-Feb-2008 22:29
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 09-Feb-2008 16:38
I don't need you you need me,some would say been there done that.And drive by the ruins to get there?
Guest 09-Feb-2008 15:40
Elvis Presley heard from god while sitting on the commode,got called home.
Guest 09-Feb-2008 14:26
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 09-Feb-2008 14:22
Bill Clinton wants to visit Heritage usa repent,you sob....
Guest 09-Feb-2008 14:14
sorry I have to leave the political bloggers need me,isn't religion and politics great?
Guest 09-Feb-2008 14:08
oh,yes and it's a new day praise the lord........
Guest 09-Feb-2008 14:06
whats missing is the tv cameras,actors and so on.
Guest 09-Feb-2008 13:47
whats all the fuss about,theres a church on every corner these's day's?
Guest 09-Feb-2008 13:26
you'll find me over at the watermelon patch,yee,haa,yol......
Guest 09-Feb-2008 13:09
you can have it all for a one time low low price......
Guest 09-Feb-2008 12:39
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 09-Feb-2008 04:58
Pandora's Box Revisited:
Guest 09-Feb-2008 04:16
[ L,N,SC,]
Guest 08-Feb-2008 20:41
I'm not amused by any of this,the idiot wearing a straight jacket needs to grow up.I came here to play don't lecture me,please.Thats what bloggers do,just have some fun .It's just a ghosttown,sorry.
Guest 08-Feb-2008 13:30
ormer Heritage USA Complex Reopens
MorningStar Ministries, founded by Rick Joyner, purchased 52 of the original 2,300 acres in 2004

The former property of Heritage USA reopened in September as Heritage International Ministries (HIM), the headquarters of MorningStar Ministries founded by Rick Joyner.

An official ribbon-cutting ceremony was held Sept. 28 in Fort Mill, S.C., to celebrate the restoration and grand opening of the Heritage Grand Hotel and Conference Center. Local dignitaries, former PTL partners, and visitors from various churches and parachurch organizations participated in the event, which was held during MorningStar's three-day Harvest Festival.

"The restoration of the Heritage is a prophetic symbol of the restoration of the church," said Joyner, executive director of MorningStar Ministries and senior pastor of MorningStar Fellowship Church.

Founded in 1978 by televangelists Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Heritage USA was an offshoot of the Bakkers' PTL Club, once one of the largest television ministries in the nation. Built on 2,300 acres, Heritage drew roughly 6 million visitors annually in the 1980s, making it the nation's third-largest tourist attraction after Walt Disney World and Disneyland.

A decade later Bakker was convicted and imprisoned on charges of fraud for selling followers $158 million worth of lifetime vacations at Heritage USA that authorities claimed he knowingly could not provide.

"It was one of the devil's major trophies of shame that he brought against the church universal," Robin McMillan, pastor of the Fort Mill MorningStar Fellowship Church, said of the PTL scandal. "I feel that the restoration of this property is to some degree the taking back from the enemy something that he has used to bring shame to the body of Christ."

A large portion of Heritage USA was sold to a company that eventually built a golf course and residential community. Other segments are occupied by Christian ministries. MorningStar purchased 52 acres in 2004 for $1.6 million. The property, which included the Grand Hotel, Main Street shops and Heritage Tower, had fallen into such disrepair that many thought it was not salvageable.

But less than three months after the purchase, MorningStar held its first service in the Grand Hotel. Today, the 350-room hotel, the Main Street shopping area and the conference center have been refurbished and reopened. The property also houses a K-12 school, MorningStar School of Ministry and other operations, including MorningStar Publications and EagleStar Productions. Future development plans include a 250-unit retirement community in the Heritage Tower.

"In the beginning we didn't want the property; there was such a stigma attached to it," said Leonard Jones, one of the original PTL worship band members and now head of the music department at MorningStar Ministries. "But we now feel like we're fulfilling the original vision for the place. It's a place to reach out to the nations and a place to train young people."

Many former PTL partners attended the ribbon-cutting ceremony and were honored at a special evening reception. "We're building upon what you sowed, and we honor your faithful gifts," Joyner told them, noting that he is friends with Jim Bakker, who did not attend the grand opening. "We hope you have the satisfaction of knowing that it's being used for the purposes you invested in. You built it; we just came in and fixed it up a little bit."

Joyner said HIM is called to equip, train and prepare the church for prophetic ministry and Christian service. "We want it to be a place of restoration," Joyner said of Heritage. "There is something about restoration that is fundamental to the heart of God, and I believe the latter glory of this house will be greater than the former."
Sandra K. Chambers in Fort Mill, S.C.
Guest 08-Feb-2008 13:18
For those musing this site. Heritage USA is back open on a smaller scale and is known as Heritage International Ministries. The Waterpark is torn down but the Grand is open and the Towers will open after it is finished. The studios/barn/amphitheater are owned and operated by different ministries and the Good News of the Gospel is going forward.
GOD HAS RESTORED THAT PROPERTY AS A TESTAMENT HOW HE RESTORES US.
Guest 07-Feb-2008 17:50
Orderly in straight jacket?your the nut.....
Guest 07-Feb-2008 17:22
I won't blog here anymore,my thoughts have concluded about ghosttown usa + it's too hostel here,lighten-up.
Get real: 07-Feb-2008 14:35
hey buddy, taxes arn't so high on a cow pasture.... by the way I know how to entertain you.Thats what goes on there at H.usa,right?
Orderly in white jacket 07-Feb-2008 11:40
Please come back to the institution. This carrying on a conversations by yourself is getting out of hand...AGAIN.
Get back here now!
auditor 07-Feb-2008 01:02
wow thats not pie in the sky.....
Guest 06-Feb-2008 23:47
Is anyone aware theres 3 million owed in back taxes at Heritage usa if so possibly why it became a ghosttown,everybody fled from the taxes?
Guest 03-Feb-2008 03:46
Keyword sunday school:
Guest 03-Feb-2008 03:43
This almost has a mafia element to it, covert operation.
Guest 03-Feb-2008 03:35
All thats missing is star power,theres still plenty of intrigue.Some locals are still hostel.Some would like to find work out there.I'm looking at all this who knows where it's going.I say create a positive buzz.This web site is giving me feedback that lets me see where we're at.
Guest 03-Feb-2008 02:39
you mean Fort Mill that place noone cares about.
thats the ticket 03-Feb-2008 02:27
Fort Hill is known for risky business.
Guest 03-Feb-2008 02:16
Can they take a joke out there or are they locked and loaded?
smilley 03-Feb-2008 02:10
Heritage USA comedy club:
Guest 03-Feb-2008 01:51
Look theres a limo out by the Towers WOW WEE CHICHS:
Heidi Fleiss 03-Feb-2008 01:34
call me.....
Guest 03-Feb-2008 01:05
Yes,turn the lights on asap.
Guest 03-Feb-2008 00:56
Could the Towers be used for a brothel?
Guest 03-Feb-2008 00:36
Yes, my daughter got married on Myrtle Beach by a real nice minister.
Guest 03-Feb-2008 00:26
Come on down past FortMill resorts theme parks galore at Myrtle Beach S.C.bring your bible PTL partners.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 23:26
I've been here for a week and to me it's about H.usa only.
WHERES THE LUV? 02-Feb-2008 23:05
PLEASE DONT LEAVE ME ANYMORE UGLY MESSAGES,I'VE BEEN DOWN THE ROAD THERS NOTHING YOU CAN SAY THAT WILL MATTER TO ME.MY TALKING POINTS HAS BEEN ABOUT H.USA THATS IT.SO LEAVE ME ALONE WHOEVER YOU ARE.THE POINT IS HERITAGE USA A GHOSTTOWN AT FORT MILL.ITS NOT ABOUT ME OR YOU.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 18:59
Church is a service,do you need it and do you want to pay for it?It takes a collosal amont of money and conmittment for anyone at Heritage USA.
Ron 02-Feb-2008 18:47
Morning Star,sun has set.I wont be back.I have mixed emotions that changes daily about H.usa.It's to deep to think about any more.
Come back? 02-Feb-2008 17:31
Must we go there oh thats god awful 1980's H..USA
Guest 02-Feb-2008 16:20
Results are at Heritage USA.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 16:17
ONLY if you make one mistake<results are at Heritage USA
gUEST 02-Feb-2008 16:06
AND IT'S like that in any church
Guest? 02-Feb-2008 16:02
adults like sex the way kids like candy,ai'nt that right Jimmy Swaggart,Bakker?And we should come here to this ghosttown H.usa?I dont think so........
at H.usa 02-Feb-2008 15:41
Your church vision should never in clude beds things change when you get under the sheets.
guest 02-Feb-2008 14:46
Heeeres Jimmy,I mean Johnny.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 14:37
The Shineing was a good movie,give another drink Loyd im going to H.usa.....
Guest 02-Feb-2008 14:21
Yes,i know i saw the the shineing-red room.similar to the Towers at H.usa.Good movie,ghosttowns are scary ar'nt they.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 14:01
Yea,right.Heritage usa is a highway robber along interstate 77 keep on going people.Keep your money in the bank for old age ,like Jim Bakker.Besides some of those hotels are haunted at Heritage usa.
Sut the F. up.... 02-Feb-2008 13:47
Now thats what I want to hear,comming from a saint?Do you need a laxitive?I sure dont need any of your service .Now look again at the crap in Fort Hill Ghosttown.It sould leave you speechless dummy.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 12:36
When you become so self centered like you people don't want you in their church.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 02:41
PTL got to big and it imploded.I feel bad for all the employees.ITs common for churches to split.Things somehow continue on just like Husa.Imporant thing is to look ahead.I was raised in church i've seen it all.The only thing that would get me back in church,is for California to fall into the ocean.Once you have read the entire bible like in my case, you can no longer be taught by other folks.I dont want to beat the same horse to death every week at church.It gets old.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 00:26
Latinos will eat carp they use nets,and will cook'em up on the spot.
Guest 02-Feb-2008 00:08
Fort mill got snookered by a damn yankee,mexicans want to know if there's any fish in the lake at Heritage usa?
Guest 01-Feb-2008 23:52
People here are spitting nails and i'm just joking whats up with that?
Guest 01-Feb-2008 23:49
its 2008 and not much going on here except ridicule.
Borders 01-Feb-2008 22:58
Latino's head for Heritage USA....
Poncho 01-Feb-2008 21:40
We mexicans need the rooms at the Towers,its good enough for us.
R.I. P . 01-Feb-2008 17:40
Add a cemetary for the souls that move on at H.usa.
R.I. P . 01-Feb-2008 17:40
Add a cemetary for the souls that move on at H.usa.
Guest 01-Feb-2008 17:28
not much will change there at H.usa without tv cameras for an outreach.Local developent will probably win out.So its over and done.
Marilyn Manson 01-Feb-2008 15:42
I agree.......
headace meds 01-Feb-2008 15:27
No its not me who scares you its this ghost town fort mill web site,its a little gothical.
Guest 01-Feb-2008 13:20
Be careful with those meds...your are starting to scare me.
Guest 01-Feb-2008 04:10
IRS is on to it rethink>
Guest 01-Feb-2008 03:44
LocaLS ARE FED UP,task is too big>
Guest 01-Feb-2008 03:15
You need a pilot to fly the plane.
Guest 01-Feb-2008 02:56
End of discussion?
Ron 01-Feb-2008 01:25
Jim Bakker does have national tv experience,a national audience would respond to him when it comes to H.usa. if hes not involved i have no interest in it.why?because he is founder sure he dropped the ball,let him pick it back up.He might want to do a mega style forum church.I feel he' s the only one who can make something out of it.Think about that,really.Smart remarks won't cut it now get serious or forget anything happening there.It might already be too late I don't know.
Reality: 31-Jan-2008 18:12
H.usa would not exist without tv cameras with that element you take a chance of dealing with actors,sorry its hard to recover from that.
luv ptl 31-Jan-2008 17:08
Just thought I would make a Heritage usa top ten list,hope you liked it.scrole down.
Fun? 31-Jan-2008 16:06
Go to LAS Vegas for fun,you dont go to a bible study for that.Just like work and play dont mix.some people dont really want to work so fun and games and just passing the buck can cause trouble.
move on 31-Jan-2008 14:11
What you must realize is the devil got kicked out of heaven,and Heritage usa.The devil is still around and so is God they just dont get along.Jesus won this fight so some of you people need to move on stop whinning about the past.why?because it sounds silly on this web site.If you dont want to hear my mouth dont get me started.I will always go to bat for Gods work.
ptl tv re-runs? 31-Jan-2008 06:35
it would be a good idea for ptl re-runs to be put back on tv,lets see it again,why not?
Guest 31-Jan-2008 06:29
I dont want anything that has to do with God to fail so i hope for the best at fort mill.
good god 31-Jan-2008 06:04
dont church guys look around for clevage?yes,I think they do.
good god 31-Jan-2008 06:04
dont church guys look around for clevage?yes,I think they do.
God help us 31-Jan-2008 05:53
the south wants to be the bible belt so you get what you ask for.and learn what liberal is its not so bad.
be nice 31-Jan-2008 05:44
has everyone forgiven the Bakkers?if not you should c,mon now wheres that southern hospitality.Tell the Bakkers y,all come back and see us you hear.
movie goers 31-Jan-2008 03:44
in the movie jackass no.2 theres a snake that bites a guys pecker,i hate when that happens.
bible thump; 31-Jan-2008 03:26
Nobody gets a room here before I do,Jerry Falwell.
Guest? 31-Jan-2008 03:19
Can i have a room in the Towers?Anna Nicole
stop crying 31-Jan-2008 03:11
You were lead to the promise land ,now go have at it ,see what you can do besides complain.
room service 31-Jan-2008 03:01
Someone needs towels and pillows room 513 Towers.
big thinker 31-Jan-2008 02:51
Heritage usa is the King James version,get it?
Folly 31-Jan-2008 02:35
Know wonder Tammy got sick,Jesus,God.
coolJay? 31-Jan-2008 02:26
Qwestion,is Jay Bakker opening up a tattoo shop on main street?
Jimbo 31-Jan-2008 02:18
You dont build a play ground unless you plan to play in it,give me a break.
sheeps clothing 31-Jan-2008 02:05
Well you only go around once might as well do it up right before you get hauled away in a cop car.
Old Ghost 31-Jan-2008 01:56
Excuse me,Howard Hughs wants a room in the Towers.
Guest 31-Jan-2008 01:52
If he does it would take a few thousand lifetimes to work off his screw ups.
ptl fan 31-Jan-2008 01:37
I hope Jim Bakker comes back even if he's just a janitor there.
ptl fan 31-Jan-2008 01:37
I hope Jim Bakker comes back even if he's just a janitor there.
We Like 31-Jan-2008 01:25
We mexicans think H.usa is acceptable as is are we welcome to live there?
Iraq@H.usa 31-Jan-2008 00:53
Heritage usa is starting to look like Iraq,is there anything i can do?G.W.Bush
convalesant home 31-Jan-2008 00:34
Vote for me i need your prayers i'm to damn old for this,John McCain.
Bubba 31-Jan-2008 00:27
Vote for me i can forgive anybody,Hillary Clinton.
Mitt 31-Jan-2008 00:23
Vote for me i can renovate anything with loads of cash on hand,Mitt Romney.
Guest 30-Jan-2008 15:14
When i heard most christians are manic depressants it gave me pause.why?my mom says God lead me to that sale.I would say oh really,mom please.
Guest 29-Jan-2008 22:46
I need to add i forgot about the bible saying dont spill your seed on the ground i did give bad advice to the virgin church guy,i admit.and at the time i was teaching teenagers.i liked my job,guess im not worthy.i have to join the club of christian who messed up.gee wiz its just jizz.
Guest 29-Jan-2008 21:00
i had a guy ask me if it was ok to masturbate,who was a virgin.i said yes its ok we went to church together i was a sunday school teacher.this guy told the pastor what i said and i was asked to stop teaching,so i did.in the arena of church nothing is safe to say or do outside of reading your bible.church involvment is challenging,but i think its a real good thing for kids.i think adults have real problems doing the church thing.
Guest 29-Jan-2008 14:00
Yeah and David("a man after God's own heart") was a peeping tom that doinked his neighbor, got her pregnant, and then killed her husband....etc, etc,..blah, blah, blah,
Guest 29-Jan-2008 02:51
i went to a assemblies of god church,the preacher had a affair with sunday schoolsuperintendant,preachers son molested two boys,piano player was gay,should i go on?blah,blah,blah,and so it goes.
ptl coupons still good? 29-Jan-2008 01:26
PTL partners got a good deal compared to todays standards.The new MGM in Detroit mi. cost over 300.dollars a night.So what would a 1,000 dollars get you today as far as a lifetime membership?Maybe a healthclub membership.To bad hotels could not cotinue on was a sweet deal.Only Donald Trump could have figured this out to keep it going.All i can say now is thers to much hostility on this web site about the matter.Get over it ,go look at some web site porn and calm down a little.
gone on rejoice 28-Jan-2008 19:51
When the role is called up yonder ill be there,i bet Tammy Faye Johnny Cash Waylon Jennings are singing up a storm now for Jesus.They sure were good people,God bless,em all.
gone on rejoice 28-Jan-2008 19:51
When the role is called up yonder ill be there,i bet Tammy Faye Johnny Cash Waylon Jennings are singing up a storm now for Jesus.They sure were good people,God bless,em all.
Guest 28-Jan-2008 03:03
they believe faith without works is dead and they know how to work it.after a while talk is cheap.Bakkers need to move on away from religion.
talk to me: 28-Jan-2008 02:42
unless the Bakkers have been barred from Husa i think they need to come back and try to make things right.Start by cutting the grass,weed wack the place.
Guest 28-Jan-2008 02:12
to me whats really creepy is how Jay Bakker turned out.that guy is really out there.and his looks go with it.he needs to let religion go try something else.Hes so tatted and body pierced its just creepy.theres something about that offering plate that Bakker family wont let go.
Slow Southener 28-Jan-2008 01:04
No matter what, if you get bored you can always cut Jim a check. Plenty of people are sending checks to Branson despite prior precedents of fiscal irresponsibility.
whos out there? 28-Jan-2008 00:49
things sure are slow in the south,somebody say something im bored and want to interact.nobody wants to think about it any more.i cant move on till someone says sumthin that will kick the can down the road a little further.
oil is God? 27-Jan-2008 16:40
it doesnt matter to me do anything to get oil,i need it for my suv.got to luv G.W.Bush hes handing out rebates its nice.
Guest 27-Jan-2008 15:10
Better than George W Bush looking for WMDs.
Im here 27-Jan-2008 03:21
John McCain visits Heritage usa looking for Bin Laden.
guest 27-Jan-2008 01:39
Jeepers Creepers 3 is to be filmed on feb.30th a perfect place for it at Grand hotel.
Guest 26-Jan-2008 23:11
I also heard that aliens were suppose to land on top of the Grand Hotel on February 30th.
F16's should not be in that area(also known as Tax Area 53) around this time
Guest 26-Jan-2008 13:34
sorry,husa is said to be owned by foriegn country that is muslim.sure your not leasing part of husa from them?theres more there than you know what to do with.i have read every web site concerning ptl.theres more going on than you lead me to believe.you only have a corner of husa.a part of it would make a nice cemetary .
Guest 26-Jan-2008 12:41
Muslims do not own HUSA. Morningstar Ministries does and have for several years now. It is back open to the public as a ministry going forward and winning those that are searching for Hope.
guest 26-Jan-2008 01:27
ok,black helecopters are on the way.
Guest 25-Jan-2008 18:47
is Bin Ladin hiding at Heritage usa?
guest 25-Jan-2008 18:44
Please vote for me i can fix anything,Mike Huckabee.
Korran 25-Jan-2008 18:13
no,whos c. shepard?im just taking a closer look at heritage usa,and seeing all was lost.when the tax man showed up.and has stopped any other effort to reclaim it to make it work.former members can still find theme parks and tv churches that run the proper way.muslims now own ptl,so whatever.who cares at this point?
Guest 25-Jan-2008 12:47
Hey corran...are you Charlie Sheppard's replacement?
corran 25-Jan-2008 00:11
Dont worry muslims own ptl,they will flip it and make use of it for muhhamad.
Guest 22-Jan-2008 17:30
american home owners are facing foreclosure just like ptl this plight can happen to anybody anywhere when things go wrong.america is starting to look at a little dispair.i hope prayer can help us all in these times we are in.
Guest 22-Jan-2008 16:32
the bakker kids sure had a nice place to play while mom and dad were running a mineristry on tv.this was a first i cant say any thing bad about such an effort,the most amazing thing ive ever witinessed.
Tammy 22-Jan-2008 03:20
try looking at ptl from satellite view and just say a little prayer.
Ron 22-Jan-2008 00:28
hi i would just like to say ptl was a concept that failed,why?theres aseparation of church.and state andfrom now on a separation of church and theme park.i would like to see ptl re-runs back on tv.it would be neat to see it all happen again.dont judge we all make mistakes.
Guest 21-Jan-2008 20:29
ok......
ron 21-Jan-2008 00:11
loooking at resent pictures of heritage usa leads me to believe the location is too run down to ever use.a ghost town is exactly what it is.it was nice to come back to what was even though it will never be again.i would say now irs is more to blame than anything.tax bill was insurmountable.leaving me to think you must pay to play.08 pres.primary triggered my visit back here.it was nice.
Ron 19-Jan-2008 00:32
i just wanted to soud off in a hurry i dont know much about now or then.im recearching and now know about tax statues that was lost.that changes everything.with that said i will move on and forget about the remaining possibilities.i do know you can do business anywhere as long as you pay taxes.we have to make choices even chrisitans dont get a free ride.sorry i got so hasty with my earier comments.
Guest 18-Jan-2008 13:17
Ron,
Marriott did come in and try and operate it...it failed badly.
I will say it again...the property IS OPEN. Morningstar Ministries owns the Hotel and surrounding areas and operate as a evangelical educational facility with conferences and a school. The also have their worship service in the lobby of the Hotel on Sundays.
It is thriving once again and has been for a couple of years now.
ron duncan 17-Jan-2008 20:39
hi,ithink ptl should reopen as a christian resort of all faiths.people should come there and evangelize gods work.franchise hotels should take over hotels and make operational.it should be a chrisitan destination again.with revival inspiration at work for god.the resort shuld be a seporate effort with business since to support it.you cant run this place with church style donations,thats what really caused its demize.chrisitans need a resort like this.chrisitan investors should own it as a bussiness operate it as a chrisitan resort.ministries should come there as guest only and do god work and reserve time there for there effort.c,mon chrisitans make it happen.i go by there to go to myrtle beach ill stop in.i live in mi. vacation in s.c
Melissa White 09-Jan-2008 16:56
I graduated from the high school in 1988 and I need to figure out how to get my transcript. I am now able to got to college and I am having a hard time getting in because I do not have a high school transcript. HELP! melissawhite2001@yahoo.com I work in the gift shop at the mall. Heritage USA was a GREAT place. I have so many memories.
Kat in Fort Mill 26-Dec-2007 02:53
I stumbled on the ghost town of Heritage USA this past weekend and it broke my heart. I have so many fond memories of the wonderful Christmas displays that I visited yearly with my "first love". Wish someone would have bought the place and made it into something -- maybe another amusement park or a gambling casino, who knows....instead it is crumbling into decay.
black diamond 18-Dec-2007 05:20
We went to a meeting Saturday, Dec.15,2007 @ H.I.S. conference at Heritage USA.
I was so AMAZED. All I saw was God. There is not one person on this planet that has not made mistakes. My heart was grieved for only a second. because God is restoring . I am so thankful I got to see what God did there. And I only so in part.
No matter what happened, God HImself used Jimm and Tammy Faye Baker to build Heritage USA. Only God can do that in and thru someone..I stand in amazement of a Holy God as I went this weekend. I can only imagine how it was when it was thriving. I choose to look at what God did do and is doing there. Believe me He is not finished there....I saw what God can do and will do if only you would believe,,,
Guest 14-Dec-2007 13:40
I believe this concept was the basis for most malls in America. We, at least we used to be primarily a "Christian" country thus purveyors targeted the Christian consumer.
Mainstreet had....Ice Cream Parlor, Bookstore, Chocolate Shop, Hair Salon, Clothes Boutique, Art Shop, 2 restaurants, 2 trolley's with popcorn and drinks, and many different Nick Nacks shops that came and went. Mainstreet was/is very small by mall standards.
Annie 13-Dec-2007 23:00
My family vacationed at Heritage USA in the late '80s, but I was very young at the time. Recently I've been interested in the pop culture concept of consumerism in Christianity. Does anyone remember what, exactly, the Heritage USA shopping mall consisted of? What types of shops were there and what kinds of things were sold? I believe there was a hair salon--did they specialize in "the Tammy Faye" hairdo? :) Any info would be great--thanks.
Guest 11-Dec-2007 13:10
I heard it was buried behind a big tree at campsite #73.
RAE 10-Dec-2007 22:00
THERE WAS OVER 18 TO 25 MILLION DOLLARS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR. THE TABLOIDS DID NOT TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE NO ONE KNEW.
Guest 06-Dec-2007 15:26
How about this answer....
It took one million dollars every other day to run PTL.
That is where it went.
RAE 03-Dec-2007 18:57
TO ALL WHO IS CONCERN ABOUT WHERE EVERYBODY'S MONEY WENT. YES, JIM DID NOT GET TO FULLFIL WHAT HE PROMISED TO THE PEOPLE WHO SO GREATFULLY GAVE TO JESUS(THIS WILL NOT BE UNFORGOTTEN BY THE LORD). I THINK THE LORD WILL (VERY SOON) LET ALL WHO IS IN WONDER WHERE IT ALL WENT LESS WHAT JIM HAD TO PAY BACK TO EVERY SHARE HOLDER. HE WILL ALL LET US KNOW. IT WAS NOT ALL THE MONEY BUT INVESTMENT'S, GIFT'S, AND LET US ALL REMEMBER PICTURES AND ANYTHING THE MINISTRY BOUGHT FOR PTL. THING'S WERE NEVER REALLY ACCOUNTED FOR. WHAT DID HAPPEN TO EVERTHING????? YES, THE BUILDING'S ARE STILL THERE BUT WHAT ABOUT EVERTHING ELSE??? DONT IT REALLY MAKE YOU WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO IT ALL?????
mike boyd 19-Nov-2007 02:38
my wife and children visted heritage usa when it was a glorious place. the christmas lights were absolutely fanatstic. the hotel was sheer class and i had the best food i've ever eaten when i was there. i wish it was still available. many of the people i once knew watched jim and tammy every day on television.
Fran Holden 31-Oct-2007 01:44
I was just reading your questions about the paintings at Heritage USA. You can find them at www.jimbakkershow.com
I was one of the phone counselors at the time of Heritage USA. I started there back when they were on Park Ave. in Charlotte. I rode the tram with Jim Bakker the day he took the first group from PTL to see the rustic grounds that had not been developed in Fort Mill, SC. that would soon be Heritage USA. Before the first building had been built. Before the first block had been laid. And no, I wasn't a child at the time. I was well into my 30's. So all of my memories like others are very good ones. But as an adult not a child. I saw the sweat, tears, some even mine (not all were Tammy Faye's) going into the work of this project that God did ordain. Yes, He did ordain it. Or it would not have been allowed. I'll get off my soap box. I still love the place, for what it stands for even now. My heart never left Heritage USA.
I left to become a missionary nurse in the arctic of Alaska. While in Fairbanks, Alaska I would get to watch PTL on TV there. It seemed like I never left the spirit of Heritage. Now I'm back in NC. My grieving is from what was stolen from all of us. A place that was intended to be a place of refuge, a place for worship, a place to enter into the Holy of Holies with other believers into the presence of God. Not blaming anyone except the negative spirit of this world. This world can be a beautiful place. But what people do with the situations are what becomes the end produce, many make it a negative situation, many a very fruitful one. I'm a heavy believer of the Bible. I still stand on the fact that according to John 15:5 NKJV "for without Me (Jesus) you can do nothing."
Sorry about being so lengthy.
Fran Holden
"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief." Thomas Russell
Peter 26-Oct-2007 20:53
Donna,

What was your full name, assuming you are now married. I am sure I know you. I was engaged to Michelle Aucoin and I mentioned her. I was a supervisor and lifeguard trainer there at Heritage. Did you have blonde hair then??
It would cool if this is the person I remember...
Take care,

Peter
Guest 18-Oct-2007 13:11
Donna,
You may enjoy the yahoo group about Heritage USA and all things PTL.
Just go to yahoo and search "groups" for PTL/HeritageUSA. There are a lot of former students and staffers.
Donna 17-Oct-2007 19:48
My family and I were a big part of Heritage USA and PTL for quite some time. My father worked as a teacher at the college when it was still based in Charlotte. Both my sister and I attended the middle school and high school that was on the HUSA grounds and I made many friends there. I have the GREATEST memories of the family and friends that I made and they are in my heart and memories forever. I lived and "swam amongst the grandness of the waterpark. I was a lifeguard there for quite a few years and I was on the swim team with the school. I actually went to school with Michelle Aucoin. I saw her name mentioned in a comment below. I believe she took one of my fathers courses that he taught at the high school. I was and still am very saddened at the events that took place 19+ years ago. What hurt me most was the impact that it had on my family and especially that of my father who had been there since the beginning. It hurt and affected him on so many levels. We all had to learn a big lesson in forgivness. I think of HUSA often and have had such mixed emotions looking through the pictures but overall the good and positive truly outweighs the negative. I would love to hear from anyone who was involved in the whole ministry of PTL or HUSA. We were there until the bitter end and we started at the beginning. My family had gone on to live wondeful and rewarding lives and being a part of HUSA helped us to be who we are today.
Guest 09-Oct-2007 13:46
Thank you for the pictures. As a child my entire extended family (14 of us) had the pleasure of vacationing at Heritage USA at least 4 times. We traveled from NY and these vacations are still the fondest memories we have. The place was wonderful. My grandparents bought a lifetime membership for each of their children and their families. We definitely got our monies worth and at the same time my cousins and I learned invaluable lessons. It was fun as a child to be around such a fun place that was Christian based. I remember learning about the homes for unwed mothers and for troubled boys. This place made a big impact on me. We thanked God for the blessings we were able to enjoy. Thanks again for the pics...it is hard for my husband to understand what it was like, but it was wonderful and worth every penny.
Guest 03-Oct-2007 13:23
Ivan,
I appreciate your heart but to say that people did not do what they were suppose to do is a rather simple statement in a very complex situation. A lot of people did not do what they were suppose to do including Jim as he has admitted.
The restoration going on is a great thing.
Ivan 02-Oct-2007 22:24
Greetings everyone,

I just happened on this page while searching for information on this very subject matter today and watching the documentary "The eyes of Tammy Faye".

This truly was a very sad situation that should not have happened at all. Jim Bakker did not steal anything from anyone as most of the evidence against them was a outright lie and certain people knew this. The Pastor (who is now deceased) who spoke harshly against them knew he was lieing and he did it deliberatly also. Jealousy is a evil and wicked thing. He took total advantage against Jim and Tammy while they were having a very difficult time proclaiming vulgar and disgusting things against Jim himself full well knowing he was lieing. The investigation showed in time that no money was missing at all and most records while perhaps a sorted mess were correct, but you did not see the newspapers report that, did you?

Jim took on much too much too fast and he got lost in trouble and confusion in some things. It was just too much for one man to handle and so he relied on others who did not do what they were suppose to and of course the worse happened. This place called Heritage USA was not only a theme park, but a place of worship and peace and it was truly a wonderful place of which I never had the time to go and see. No money was wasted and in fact the best of the best was put into the place. Jim and Tammy Faye created what others can only think about and they did a good job for God's Kingdom. But the evils of another stepped in at a bad time and made promises that were promptly broke and then lied all the way to the grave. This person shall make a accounting to God for what has happened. I myself shall not set in judgement of another. Thankfully and graciously Tammy Faye forgave all who were involved with this nasty mess and I am sure Jim himself has also. For we cannot attain forgiveness if we ourselves cannot forgive.

I find today that restoration is being made in some areas of this beautiful place and I wish them all well. Jim Bakker has a new ministry called the Jim Bakker Show and he is doing very well and is in process of creating another area of the world with beauty and love where people can live. Jim Bakker is a man of God and God has risen him up out of the muck of evil to see that His work is created and done. He once again is preaching the word of God and he can be seen on television in many areas and on internet from his website. His program is wonderful. Tammy Faye as we all know, has passed into glory and is with Jesus Christ today and I feel she is looking down on all this and saying, go forward for God and do not loose your faith!
Rock Hill 02-Oct-2007 12:05
I would like to thank the webmaster for this site and for this message board first and foremost.

I understand and can appreciate the deep feelings from persons on all sides. To some the idea of PTL was weird, but to me and for many others it was a unique place. The concept of a place where fun, fellowship, and a personal experience with christianity was a wonderful idea. PTL for some was just a theme park but for so many people it was a special place because of the spirit and the many people whose good nature and good hearts made it a great place. The decline of PTL made for strong emotions for all involved. We enjoy freedom of expression as americans but we lose our hearts sometimes in the process. I have many of the same views as the positive posts and the negative posts on here, howevcr I would ask that people expressing their viewpoint would be mindful of others. I have just read the Rock Hill Hearld's story about the new developments concerning the tower. Hopefully Morningstar will be able to pull their plan off and make good use of it. I wish them well on the project. The sad fact is that with houses and businesses sitting on much of the property we will never see a 1980's version of the park again. I found out from work that the Fort Mill School district has purchased a sizeable portion of the property. I wish Narrowway, Morningstar, and all others on the property well on their endeavors in their respective ventures. I am glad to see the Upper Room preserved. It seemed like a very special place to many. The construcion of the park was great folks but what made it truly special were the people there and God. Thank You
Greg 27-Sep-2007 22:04
HI,
I cannot still get over the bickering of the terms, and conditions that were used at H-USA.
They did not steal, a theif has to come and take what is yours, am I not right ? They took what you mailed to them, for those of you who post in the negative . Look at the buildings, look at the once beauty now being restored. If you reflect on history you would see who TOOK - and he is not alive to even defend himself.
Guest 26-Sep-2007 22:32
It is September 26, 2007 I am sitting in the Airport waiting to board a flight to Charlotte so I can attend the Re-Dedication of Heritage USA. About 23 Years ago at the age of 19 I bought a life time partnership supporting PTL and Jim and Tammy who daily encouraged me in my early days with walking with Jesus. I never made it to Heritage then but I am now going back to witness the redemption of the property! My investment paid off the building where built and God is being glorified! I thank God for the season that PTL ministered to people and for the prayers and dedication of the land. Satan thought he had won but he has been wrong about that before and he is wrong this time. My Redeemer Lives!
Jeff
New York
HarleyDiva 26-Sep-2007 14:52
Please...if anyone can remember the 4 painting that hung in Hertiage USA of Jesus. I am trying to find a print or the paintings. I would like to know the name of the artist and the names of the paintings. My main interest is the one with Jesus holding the stone out for the first to throw. If anyone remembers the names of the painting or the artist...please email me...BJ@Oakridgekennel.com
dmh 19-Sep-2007 06:29
I just finished Michael English's book and before that Sandi Patti's Falling Forward book. And we all know about King David's adultery and he was a man after God's own heart. Guess what? We're all screw-ups. Deep inside, our hearts are deceitful above all things. It's about the grace and mercy and blood of our saviour Jesus Christ. I am a Christain but guess what... I'm not perfect... won't be here.... just clinging to my saviour, keeping my grace bucket full. I loved Jim and Tammy. They taught me about abortion and gave me my precious child through adoption. I wept when I went back to PTL and saw the remains. But Tammy's happy now. It was worth it all. Yes, accountabiltiy is important but so is forgiveness. Yes, we Christians tend to shoot our wounded.
GUEST 06-Sep-2007 01:58
I was there from 84-89? Through all the turmoil, I witnessed a lot of miracles. I was an actress in the "Passion Play", as well as on the prayer lines at the Upper Room. Many times I saw hurting people there. I loved to go and pray with them, hug them, encourage them, The fall could have been devastating, but when acting at the Ampitheatre, , where the life of Christ was portrayed, I would look at "Jesus" on the cross, and all the mess went away. A friend of mine and I went back yesterday, and all the memories flooded back. All the hurt, the joys, and frustrations. We went to the Upper Room. , I read the scriptures I read 20 some odd years ago. Again I was jarred back to the reason I first came to PTL. Not for the Bakers, but for Jesus.
BC 04-Aug-2007 06:43
To all parties involved, it all comes down to accountability.
Everything in scripture pertains to accountability.
Bakkers, Messner, Falwell, Taggerts and all involved were neither accountable to man or GOD!
We as Christians must be above reproach and accountable to not only mans laws but especially God's Laws.

BC
Guest 03-Aug-2007 12:19
The property will NEVER be the same as HUSA because the property has been sold off in many pieces. However the studios, Upper room, Amp. Theater and Barn are ALL being used by a ministry for the Kingdom.
The Grand, Main Street, Conference Center, Castle and Towers are ALL being used by Morning Star Ministries for conferences and equipping.
The many acres between these two pieces of property have houses on it or house being built on it plus roads have been built right down the middle. The waterpark is torn down.
IT IS BEING USED FOR MINISTRY AND VISITORS ARE WELCOME!
IT IS BEING USED FOR MINISTRY AND VISITORS ARE WELCOME!
IT IS BEING USED FOR MINISTRY AND VISITORS ARE WELCOME!
IT IS BEING USED FOR MINISTRY AND VISITORS ARE WELCOME!
It is NOT a Christian theme park or resort but it is a beautiful place being used for the Glory of God.

The Upper Room was built as an exact replica of the Upper Room in Israel. This building had services in it every night of the week and also had small "prayer rooms" for personal use. It was open 24 hours a day to anyone to come and pray. It had a Pastor on site 24 hours a day.
You really had to walk in this place to feel the anointing to really understand what people are talking about.
Guest 02-Aug-2007 21:15
Hey ya'll! Its me again, the Nascar Goofball!
As a FORMER critic of Kappasigmapi for deleting comments, I would like to extend a special "thankyou" for allowing the deverse comments on HUSA and the PTL.
While alot of my comments may have been "mean-spirted" as ya'll might say, they were intended to make light of a sad situation (from my point of view), and not to hurt anyone (except the Bakker's who I could never excuse).
And yet, many of my comments have been serious. And weather people agree or not, I think its great both sides can agree or disagree and argue with respect to one another. (YES, I do respect everyones comments).
Lastly, I would like to send another thankyou to Kappasigmapi for the depressing, but wonderful pictures. While some of the pics are sad to see how rapidly things have degraded, its also interesting to me because this IS a part of our history, and we all loose things we love but we just have to change with the times. I can only hope that if this area does not bring jobs for US citizens, it will be revived again as a Christian get-away for all of you believers.
So, in all seriousness, THANKYOU!
Just one thing I'm kinda curious of though. Everyone talks about the "upper room". I've read little bits from people who discribe it, but I still don't understand what made it such a magnet for people. What was all done here, and what made it so special?
Thanks Ya'll!
GUEST
Peter 02-Aug-2007 21:04
Lynn,

No brother name Joe. All my family is in the midwest. I was the only one associated with PTL Ministries from 85 to 87. Engaged for a time to Michelle Aucoin.
Guest 02-Aug-2007 16:22
him morningstarministries org
Yvonne...it is being restored and you can go to the above site to see pictures and news...
Yvonne 01-Aug-2007 19:26
I stayed at Heritage USA twice with my church at a womens convention. The place was awesome and the stay was an experience that I will never forget. It saddens me that all that beauty is going to waste. There may have been things done that were not all on the up and up. But the furnishings and the quality of service was top shelf. It was a place where you felt safe and secure with your family. My favorite was the Upper Room and Main Street. I pray that some Christian Organization will reopen that place so that we will again have a place to vacation and worship at the same time. That place needs not be a Ghost Town!
Guest 31-Jul-2007 10:59
Rhonnie = NASCAR goofball
The last several posts are a conversation between one person.
Guest 31-Jul-2007 01:43
Oh Ronnie,
First off, my point is, if you don't treat your animal with AC, it does not mean your being inhumane. And yes, animals do not adjust to drastic temperature changes as well as humans do. So animals are well prone to sickness when constantly being exposed to temp changes (i.e., 90 degree day outside, your dog lives indoors with the airconditioner on, dog goes out to do business,thats the temp changes that hurt animals.) Its a fact (with dogs anyways) that outdoor dogs who live through all the seasons live an average of 17 years, while dogs kept indoors live an average 13 years (same breads).

Second, why do you assume I'm filled with hatefulness? Do you have a complex? You judge me by my words, THATS WRONG! BAD RON! Am I sarcastic, you bet! I'm ful of joy, not hate, and if you assume every joke directed at you is directly related to hate, then your taking life WAAAAAYYYYYY to seriously. Lighten up Ronnie, you only live once and there is no need living life uptight over everything someone says on the internet. Remember this, the reason the bible is interpreted in so many ways is because all you read is words. You don't hear the emotion. Same goes for discussion groups. You don't hear my emotion, so PLEEEAAASSSEEE, quit assuming the worst.
If your living life always assumming the worst, that my friend is allot of weight to carry around on your shoulders, and that will kill you years before its your time. (Please, take that advice from someone who knows what its like to be stressed constantly. I learned the hard way, but now, I'm a much better person in much better health!).
Your right, we won't agree on everything, but my sarcasm obviously made you think twice. Why would you not think twice about giving me money for empty promises, but give it to others who are living WELL beyond their means and living their lifes totally opposite of how the bible tells you you should live your life?
That is something I will never understand. But what I do know is any other organization who can convince people to give to their empty promises, yet live against their preachings, are refered to as cults.
You say your heart goes out to me. Well, thankyou! As a part of the human race, my heart goes to you too. And I'm sure if you were able to see the emotion on my face right now, hate would be the last word that comes to your mind.
So please, for your sake, lighten your load. Think positive when your not sure.
(and just for your information, I had two outdoor dogs. I heated my dog house for one winter with a waterbed heater under the floor when my other dog unexpectedly passed. I only did this because my lab was used to the warmth of another dog. Not doing so would have been a shock to her system, but the following winter it was back to no heat, but dry bedding. She lived for 20 human years.)
Rhonnie 30-Jul-2007 21:52
Guest, No reason to be sarcastic. According to your reasoning I should be taking my inside pets to the vet because they are living in air conditioning and central heat so they should be constantly sick??? I don't know what has happened to you in your life that makes you crave attention by taunts and ugliness, but my heart goes out to you. Yet, I will not fuel your hatefullness. My post was done in love and repect to all and was only my opinion, not a challenge. I would gladly repsond to you in the future if your posts are not filled with hateful disrespect or condemnation. I do challenge others to do the same. The world has enough hate. Post with respect. We don't share the same opinion, so what? You need to ask yourself why that brings out the worse in you.
Guest 30-Jul-2007 21:30
Air conditioning for an animal is not humane. Any idiot knows this. Animals are used to the heat with their coats, and airconditioning will actually make dogs sick.
Now, before the rest of you "save the tuna fish" freaks get all fired up, just remember, your god created animals and mankind. I don't think he had AC in mind when he created them.
Now, don't go overboard and throw your dogs in an oven either or place a heat lamp over them. If you god is the almighty, then quit questioning his creations and whats best for them.

Ronnie, no one here is condemming christians. Only the leaders of the PTL, which included ole Jimbo and cakeface. The Bakker's should be shamed for their unethical actions. Please don't try to sweetin' up their criminal history. They tried hard to sham others, and did it well. (the only thing they were good at). I don't need to invest in a Bakker book to know they lived in the lap of luxury.
You know, just forget it. I can see you will always fall for a sham, so when I open my ministry, you will be at the top of my list for donations. Your kind will make me rich. I'll cry for you tonight. I am currently selling lifetime passes for a one week vacation on Mars for the low low donation of only 2,500.00... Won't you donate today?
In regards to Jimmy Johnson, I'll send a message to Jim Bakker's "all holy" prayer e-mail list. We all know God shrugs off Jimbo as another scammer, he won't listen to him, and JJ is guarrenteed to loose the other eye brow next week!
Guest 30-Jul-2007 17:16
Rhonnie = NASCAR goofbll
Gregory 30-Jul-2007 16:59
Heritage USA was something that Jim and Tammy started with the help from God. Their goal was to build a city of worship and praise. Over the years I've heard about all the people that gave their hard earned money to Jim and Tammy. I don't think the money was ever wasted. Just take a look at Heritage USA.
Anytime you give from your heart you will always be blessed. From the look of Heritage almost all the money was going into the park itself. Jim and Tammy had a vision and that was to provide a place of worship. The sad thing is the park had to be closed and all that's left are memories. I would like to see the park open again someday. Greg
Rhonnie 30-Jul-2007 15:52
God Bless Us Everyone! I've enjoyed reading the message board and am compelled to comment. I was never able to go to HUSA but was touched and moved by the Bakker's television shows, which I loved. I only wish I could have become a partner and would still do it to this day if it was available. By the way, I am in no means wealthy and I provide a place for my pets outside to have air in our hot summers and heat for the cold days of winter! My goodness, that is not extravagant - it's humane! I believe with all of my heart that the Bakker's message was one of love for others. I understand that Jim and Tammy did not pay their own salaries as they did not control the money. Those who can only condem Christians must understand that when one is serving God and doing a good job of it, Satan comes at them with all of the power he possesses! Of course we are going to make mistakes and mess up. If you would study the Bible you would see where Jesus didn't hang out with the "holy". His closest cirlce was made up of those who stole, lied and prostituted. He loved all and showed us how to live by His actions. The decaying HUSA is not a monument of disgraced Christians, but a horrible reminder of what Satan can accomplish. The Bakker's should not be shamed, but thanked for trying so hard. They had an awesome ministry and Satan knew it! Jim and Tammy Bakker and HUSA did not fall by the mistakes that were made - our mistakes are overcome and we are blessed 2 fold when we repent and learn from them. Heritage USA would have come back stronger. Unfortunately Heritage USA and the Bakker's name and awesome intentions were the target of jealously by others in the ministry who, it seems, temporarily lost their focus. Christians have the same emotions and temptations as every human. And sometimes we fail to reel them in and check them. My advice is for everyone to get a copy of Jay (Jamie Charles) Bakker's book "Son Of A Preacher Man, My Search For Grace In The Shadows". It will touch your heart, maybe open your eyes a little, and probably teach you something you didn't know. His book teaches by experience that Christians can fall down, sometimes hard. We don't lose Christ just because we make a mistake. A Christian should be the first to help someone, yet Christians "eat their own" meaning we not only don't help our fellow Christians when needed, we stomp them until they can't get up again. Which is exactly what happened to the Bakker's. If those in the ministry had reached out a compasionate helping hand instead of stomping the situation, HUSA might just be up and running today. I wish it was as I would be first in line! Thanks for the forum.
Rock Hill 30-Jul-2007 15:51
It is a shame to see where the park is today. I am not passing judgement on any of the parties but am sad to see where peoples money and faith went. PTL brought many people and changes to the area. Does anyone know if MorningStar met the plan requirement to avoid the towers destruction? The last I heard they did not and the county council was looking into demolishing the tower. The recent development in the area and possible tower demolishing would eventually make this place a faded memory. As we all reflect on PTL for good or for bad lets all remember the real victims, the honest people who gave large portions of money to a now nonexistent entity.
Guest 29-Jul-2007 16:05
Oh Michelle, may the lord bless your naive ways.
If you'll notice, this album was not titled "Great Memories Of Heritage USA", just "Hertiage USA". And please look to find any phrases which state,"Please, only comments that give the PTL organization a rosy history are allowed!", I'm sure you will not find them, just the words, "Post comment".
Michelle, I ask you to reconsider your precious comment. The person who shares these "selfish feeling", as you call it are the person(s) who delete the comments and the ones who cry the comments are not fair to their opinion of how "memorible" this place was. As you have never heard me say anything to the affect that "pro-HUSA" and "pro-PTL" opinions from viewers are biased and they should not post their comments.
I personally welcome all "opinions" and jokes viewers post, weather they be for the PTL or against it. And even yours, which, shall I say, seem a little "selfish".
The solders over seas make it possible for legal Americans to exercise their rights, and one is the right to an opinion, so please, show some respect to the men and women who are dying for your rights. Don't give these poor people in our armed services any more reason to think they are fighting for nothing but peoples amusement. Our current administration has already done a terrific job at doing so. (But if you are a far-right-wing-conservitist, I guess it only fits your bill.).
And to all the people I promised to update, YES, the congregation down the road walked three laps around the church building with the minister holding flashing lights and one final lap without the flashing lights before entering the building, so I guess you can say they did do some parade laps before services.
"LORD,,,,,,,,,, HOW BAD HAVE YOU GOT IT?!!!".
Michelle 29-Jul-2007 02:01
I think that people have a lot of nerve. This person put this website up in memory of something that was special to them and to possibly share with others who were touched by it. Go make your own web board if you feel your voice is not being heard. The webmaster obviously doesn't want your opinion. It's their right to do what they want with their website whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Take your selfish feelings that your oh so important opinion isn't being heard to your own domain.
larry 27-Jul-2007 14:56
Where is the place I am comeing somewher around htere and would like tosee it
saw Baseball & Bardwalk before it was gone just would like to see it can you ride through it and see what was???????
Guest 26-Jul-2007 02:24
For the guest above Heather, (yeah, I know that didn't sound right),

I can debate face to face, all night long. I enjoy it! I enjoy it for one simple reason, and that is, debate (and even mild argument) is good for you. Its how you better yourself and become more knowledgeable in life.

I do disagree though, Bitterness is not a bad thing. HATE is the only bad thing to feel emotionally. Bitterness, if used correctly, empowers you. (or me atleast). Its a driving force. Hatred for someone, on the other hand consumes me from the inside like a cancer. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate anyone. Its too unhealthy to spend yourlife hating. I do however feel bitterness toward a certain coward who hides in the wood and censors who they don't agree with. But again, I feel bitterness toward ANYONE who disrespects another for the wrong reasons.

I won't lie. I was very bitter toward the PTL for taking advantage of peoples checkbooks.
Am I still bitter at Jim? No, but I still do (and probably always will) disaprove of his actions, past and present. That doesn't mean I have to like the guy, but I don't want to see elderly people taken advantage of by people who I know have done it in the past and show every sign of doing it again.

Guest, I'm an honest man. If you know the bible, then I guess I will alway be a christian. Do I live by "god plan" now? Not hardly. I have no intentions of entering heaven, if there is one. I admit that even if I still had faith, I would not be strong enough. But thats neither hear nor there. Pointis, I won't bow to hipocracy to pretend I'm something I'm not. And I will continue to look after the generations older than me, because without them, my happy butt may not be here.

Isn't it ironic though that although I don't believe anymore, I am a scout leader?
No matter how great of a "story" I may think the Bible is, it has allot of lessons to be learned in it. My first and formost lesson I enforce in my Den is to respect others. My boys earn many of their achievements by lessons learned by respect. And all my boys (well, most) will drop their cap in a second to do something for the elderly. I will always look after their wellbeing, and won't be silenced by telling the truth.
For On My Honor,
I Promise To Do My Best
To Do My Duty
To God And My Country
To Help Other People
And To Obey The Law Of The Pack.

Now, if only everyone knew the law of the pack, it provides valuable tips on life.
If You Can resite it, you get to pitch your tent first!
Guest 26-Jul-2007 01:34
Hello Heather.
Many folks are not juging Jim for just what he did. Its what he did AND is still doing.
How is it if you or I tried to evade paying taxes, we would not have a place to live, except for a long prison term. Jim enjoyed special treatment for his celeb status, as if it were you or I who was found guilty of embezzlement and not paying taxes, "good behavior" myght get us at best , a minimun 15 years.
Please, with all due respect to you, I think EVERYONE has a right to comment on the Bakkers and Heritage USA, as while he avoided taxes and major punishment here on earth, its all of the honest federal tax payers who are paying taxes on this defunct property.
IMO, The Bakkers are no differnt than any average joe which whom we end up carring their dead weight. I give the Bakkers no special treatment for the public figures they once were in life. That would be unfair for me to forgive them, but not others who are better off than I am, yet evade paying taxes.
I'm glad you had very memorible special times there, as you were one of the fourtunete who could go then. It looks like it was a nice place in its time, but I still feel it was for all of the wrong reasons.
And while you and I don't agree on everything, I think we both are on even keil when it comes to the sad state it sits now. To me, all defunct tourist traps are interesting, but yet depressing when you think (or you know) about what it was like in its heyday. (here today, gone tomorrow.)
Its a sign-of-the-times. Things change, and we have to change with them I guess. Even though as I get older, I more and more long for the late 70's - early 80's, as well as skate rinks, small downtown theatres, drive-in theatres, etc... Its all the things that are not around anylonger we enjoyed earlier in life. And no matter how much I disapproved of the practices of the PTL, in the end, "it was what it was!"...
I really do appreciate you speaking your mind and not hiding in the woodwork like some (unmentionable people).I hope you saw, I'm not that bad of a person. I can agree to disagree with anyone , and if others respect my opinion and don't try to censor me, I show the same respect back. (I do try to have some laughs though. If this country could laugh more, imagine how great it would be.)

Thankyou Heather.
Guest 26-Jul-2007 01:21
Like I said....my mailbox can debate evolution, theology, etc. more effectively than the quotes below.
Bitterness is a very bad medicine and hurts no one but the person experiencing it.
heather 25-Jul-2007 23:53
my comment is in reguards to heritage usa. people shouldn't judge jim bakker he already has to answer to god for what he did. please dont make comments about hertiage usa unless youve been there and experienced it. yea it might of been a scam but a scam that made alot of family memories for my family.always remember when people make nasty comments it takes away from those awesome times at heritage usa!!! its very sad to me today to see such sadness of what became of PTL CLUB
Guest 25-Jul-2007 22:35
And for the guest who recommends the food kitchen, (in short)

AMEN to you! You are a verythoughtful person. You have it pegged, and I assure you, if there is a god, you are closer to heaven than the majority of these idiots.

It really doesn't matter if your religious or not, I'm sure you can relate with me that donating to a worthy cause, weather it be your time or money, is a very, very great feeling.

Thanks for caring!
Guest 25-Jul-2007 22:30
For the guest who bragged up what the PTL DID.

Great. Where is the PTL today? Who is taking care for those people today?

My money goes to specific charities for specific conditions. I don't HOPE a church gives it to they need too. Hell, even the United Way has a shady past (embezzlement).
You did prove a point that many people have been screwed by the PTL. If what you said is true, then looks like those who were unfourtunete were screwed over too. You tell me WHATS GOOD ABOUT THAT?

As for your "hardcore proof", if you have it, then show it! A book that has been reproduced over and over isnot proof.

Last I remember, the christian religion taught FOR God and how HE ALONE created life. It also taught AGAINST evolution and refuses the FACT that prehistoric amimals once roammed the earth. So come on. Just because someone SAYS they found bones that MAY HAVE BEEN Jesus' bones, it isn't proof. Even with the greatest technology avalible, it will not tell us acuratly how old they are.
But we can put prehistoric bones back together to re-create a skelinton of an animal the Bible denies ever exsists.

And one more thing you twit, I'm not high, but I am on drugs. $650.00 worth of drugs every month. Drugs I take for Epilepsy. When was the last time any of you twits ever donated to an HONEST cause such as The Epilepsy Foundation? NEVER, Cause you are all to materialized and care too much for a freakin' amusement park over sick people. Thats why you will ALL burn in hell.

I know this may fry your little brain but I will try to educate you.
Many people who have Epilepsy can only work a minimum wage job, and the government DOES NOT pay for their medication BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING! I on the other hand am lucky enough to afford a professional job. I know I'm lucky, and I still donate to the EFA because I know their are others who are going through what I used to go through. THATS CALLED AN HONEST CAUSE.

What KEPP spends to host a picture site could be better well spent helping less fourtunete folks. But, if God surely DID exist, then I guess you all have allot of learning to do.

Don't call me a moron. I know whats good for others. Unlike you, I realize how fourtunete I am and choose to spend my money on others.

Mabey some drugs would do you some good!

Guest 25-Jul-2007 21:09
Once again your post is nonsensical.
Guest 25-Jul-2007 18:47
So if there intent was to help, how is it that a 4000,000,00 bonus ANUALLY, thats right like at all those zeros, was not helping themselves?

They didn't mess up, they ALWAYS WERE messed, it's just that they got suckers to pay their way. Now the only comfort these poor souls have is to say well it was worth it.

And as far as all that was noted that PTL paid for, thats the key word, PAID as in past tense, the point is that we all are now PAYING as in present tense for their crime.
Guest 25-Jul-2007 17:01
There was no "bait", their intent WAS to help, not defaud.
They/we messed up...guilty as charged.
Guest 25-Jul-2007 15:11
I don't believe that "these people" are fixated on the wrong doings of the Bakkers, I think that they are just looking at the Bakkers actions as a whole picture. No one is taking away the "good" that they did, because if they hadn't had some bait they never would have gotten the millions of dollars in donations. If everyone is really looking to help others as God directs then start in your own community. Donate to your neighborhood food kitchens, become a big brother or big sister to a child in need or becoming a foster parent to a parentless child. Being a true christian doesn't mean throwing your money at an issue, it means putting yourself out for other people. God is a jealous god and when you put money first you are choosing that as your god. The Bakkers made money their god.
Guest 25-Jul-2007 12:32
Ignorance is running rapid around here...
There is HUGE hardcore proof that Biblical times existed way outside of the Bible. You are an uneducated idiot for saying such a thing. The Bible written in Amsterdam?????? Man, I want some of what you been smoking. Anyway...debating these obvious facts with your post would be like trying to talk to my mailbox.

Here are a few things you people missed at Heritage USA...
Unwed Mother's Home...A FREE complex open for unwed mothers(mostly late teens and early 30's). These gals could stay until their babies were adopted or they were able to get on their own two feet. They lived here 24 hours a day and all accommodation's(lodging, clothes, food, staff, etc.)... PTL PAID ALL EXPENSES FOR CONSTRUCTION AND DAILY OPERATIONS.

Fort Hope.....This was a very large complex that housed men that had major addictions and most had done prison time. It taught them trades and such. Most of these men were referred to Fort Hope by the courts....They lived here 24 hours a day and all accommodation's(lodging, clothes, food, staff, etc.)... PTL PAID ALL EXPENSES FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS.

Local Food Pantry (can't remember the name) This was a 24 hour, local, food pantry located off the grounds where large volumes of food, clothes, appliances, etc. where made available to local residents who needed a hand up with no strings attached. This was all PAID FOR BY PTL INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS.

Kevin's House. This was a very nice, large house that was built for severely handicapped children. This was all PAID FOR BY PTL INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS.

The Billy Graham Home. This was moved brick by brick from Charlotte (being saved from being torn down for office buildings) and reassembled at HUSA. It was completely restored and offered FREE tours daily. This was all PAID FOR BY PTL INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS.

You know...the list goes on and on but I get the feelings that no matter how much good was done you people are fixated on the negative. Of course, this is what the liberal media told you to believe so why would I expect anything else.....speaking of sheep. Baa....baa...come on little sheepees....
Guest 25-Jul-2007 04:20
everyone has been affected by this sham. Weather you donated or not. Even I, who did not donate is paying taxes on a bankrupt property thats rotting to hell. It should be mowed over and new industry developed to bring more american jobs.

I'm tired of paying taxes for your "dream". What makes you even think God exists?
We have proof of dinosars. Wheres the proof of biblical times? NONE NODDA!

Do you freaks know who wrote the bible? 1756 a drunk in Amsterdam. Jesus was his name. Jumped the border illegally. You have no hardcore proof of biblical times. Its as real as mythology.

No one in their right mind should pay taxes on a fairy tale land you guys think was built by your god himself. You all need to see a doctor for some prozac. Trust me, it will give you that same "great feeling" and plus, ITS REAL!

You want your fairy tale land, pay for it yourselves. I'm sick and tired of paying for the piece-o-shit!
Guest 25-Jul-2007 02:45
To the guest of a guest of a guest (etc.)

I'm glad the PTL made your mother happy. And yes, I'm sure there were many others who were happy with them. Thats great! Everyone needs something or someone to make them happy and something to believe in.

If donating money for an amusement park and the personal needs of the Bakers made her happy, them I'm happy for her,.
What makes me happy is donating money to a cause to help children less fourtunet and for people with disabilities. As we need so much money to cover research and help less fourtunete people get medications they need who cannot work themselves. The joy I get from donating to people who are less fourtunete is a feeling that only the birth of my children can outrank.
But hey, we all have to do what makes us happy!
Guest 24-Jul-2007 23:02
BTW (sorry),
you refer to me as a "bottom feeder".
My friend, the only bottom feeders in the world are people who are "followers", not "leaders". These are people who cannot decide for themselves most of the time and when they do, they decide for only what is politically correct.

I'm a "leader". I make my decisions and form my own opinions myself, therefore, please choose wisely the next time you try to discribe me. (many people choose asshole) I really found that offending that you would think I was in the same pool as you.
I swim alone my friend!
Guest 24-Jul-2007 22:55
There are SOME people who are honest enough to stick with their feelings.

I for one thought Tammy was a crook and a whore before she died, but unlike some of you, I'm not gonna start the "poor Tammy" crap now that she has passed.

Passing away doesn't change all the bad you did to others in life. Hell, the IRS was still after her up till the day she died. So don't start the "she paid her dues" shit. None of the Bakkers' have paid their dues. They got off easy.

Thousands will have read this before Kappasigmapi comes along and deletes it, because they want to "share" their caring "Christian" views, not others.

I give $1000.00 for $6.52 in return? Sounds like a rip to me.

I personally thing Kappasigmapi is a Bakker family member or friend. because they only want you to hear the good of the PTL, not the bad.

Kapp., you need to realize not everyone in the world is a "poor Bakker" person. The Bakkers' did MORE harm than good. They MANY opportunities to do good, but choose not too for there own sake. And Falwell is the same.

To the majority of americans, Heritage USA and the PTL will forever be a big wound which will never heal. You choose to post these pictures on this board which obviously allows comments, so quit with the "right-wing" views only. This makes you just as much of a fake as the PTL, which by the way will NEVER gain the publics trust back. And until you change your user name (like so many cowards) you might as well be considered "untrustible" too, as this makes you just as bad as the PTL crooks.

Delete all you want. But you cannot silence my right to voice (or type) my opinion and facts. Your username can be carried over to other boards where others will know you as the same lying, extream-right view only person. When others check back and see you have deleted this and other messages, they will know your true self, even if deep down you don't know yourself.

And while I do honestly wish for God's blessings on you, my open points of view will be seen as less of a sin by god than your efforts to hush the opinions of others who feel differntly than you.

Nuff said!
Guest 24-Jul-2007 21:39
One of the better things to come out of the PTL was to help open people eyes. People who trusted others "too much".
Thanks to the PTL, people are much more aware of how to spot scams before they fall for them. While scamming techniques have changed throughout the years, you can still carry what you learned from the PTL to spot others.

Hey there Kappasigmapi,
You ARE true management material. Are you sure you don't manage a Fourtune 500 company? My guess is you are a "yes" man (or woman, depending on your gender).
Other posters are correct in saying the truth need be known, not twisted. That way when someone falls for another scam, you can say " we warned you".
And just because Tammy has past, it does not make her immune to critisizm. She was a bad person too, and had just as much part as Jim and co. did in scamming people.
Please, take off your PTL colored glasses and let others express their honest feelings. (If your Christian enough).
Guest 24-Jul-2007 07:17
I don't think Jim's new show is widely broadcast. I'd only heard about it through the grapevine. We don't get it here. Maybe he can check into Sirrius or XM for a wider audience. Not sure if his new wife is as charismatic as Tammy was, so maybe radio would suit him better. However, if people enjoy his ministry and want to donate money to him, that is their business. Some people donate money to
Tex Watson's (Head Manson Family murderer) ministry all the time, but that's where I'd draw the line. I'm pretty sure there are no false promises in Jim's current ministry. There really is no warning people, they make up their own minds as to their likes and dislikes. I've never known a minister growing up as a child who didn't have a big fancy car and a brand new house in suburbia. People make choices and Jim did deliver on Heritage, he just came to a point where he was over his head and ended up selling rooms that were not yet complete (though they were in the process of being completed).
Guest 24-Jul-2007 07:01
I am in awe at the condition of this obviously once grand christian theme park. It's a shame, as that's what much of the hoopla was about and the need to start raising so much money in the first place. I personally admire Tammy in her sometimes tragic life (that she was so able to keep a smile and that wonderful laugh), and I think Jim's heart was in the right place...it just got out of hand as things often do. You have to remember though that PTL, Jim and Tammy, Heritage USA and everything involved with it, brought happiness among other positive feelings to many people (my Mother loved PTL and really got a lot out of it other than just entertainment). To people like my Mother who did donate to the organization, she still feels it was worth every penney for the joy that Jim and Tammy brought into her life. Surely there are others who feel the same. I was a little young at the time and have my own religious beliefs now, but I am grateful for the impression that PTL left on my Mother.
Guest 24-Jul-2007 06:24
lol your so right guess ill go out with a bang from them too...........
Guest 24-Jul-2007 06:12
Hey last guest, don't you know that's the popular Christain way, cover up the truth and twist your viewpoint so it fits what you want it to be, that way everyone is always smelling like a rose. That's how we arrange for more followers, just lie.
That's what every follower here wants in their lives, listen to only that which makes you feel good, not the truth.
OK Admin, ready for the delete, so go ahead and bombs away
Guest 24-Jul-2007 03:49
part of the history of this park is how many people ran it into the ground and were frauds. using peoples money, promisin things to people, and then rippin them off while they still enjoyed the high life on peoples donations. I think people that come to this site should know what these people did so if they do run accross Jim Bakers new show they will of been warned about him. Then and only then it is up to them if they want to trust this man. if your not willing to take the good with the bad maybe this site should close down. I want a true site to come to not one that picks who they want to write on this site. if you feel that way maybe get rid of the comments all together lets be fair kappasigmapi.
Kappasigmapi24-Jul-2007 01:53
It's the management here...just wanted to apologize for letting the bottom feeders hijack the messages. I don't usually have to monitor the comments that much, but with Tammy's passing, interest and traffic has drastically increased. I deleted a number of comments that had no value or point. I do want this to be an open forum and left the comments of those respectful dissenters stand. This album is intended as a historical record of a certain place in time, not an endorsement of any past or present activities that have taken place on the grounds. There's an appropriate way to express your concerns and opinions, and those comments are welcome.
Guest 24-Jul-2007 01:38
Thanks for that last post...it really does say exactly what I was thinking and you worded it just right...I think you border on being a wordsmith.....They were so great!
What more can I say....you summed it up beautifully...thanks!
Guest 24-Jul-2007 00:49
FACTS, SMACKS!
Don't try to riddle us PTL devoties with so-called facts.
The ONLY fact that needs to be known is that Jim and Tammy were great people with great hearts. Everything they did, they did for us in the name of our holy lord. They were not in this to get rick or scam people.
So what if they had expensive cars. They needed them to get around to help others praise the lord.
So what if their Doggy house was climate controlled. Puppys deserve respect too.
So what if they made a tad bit more money than you. They did it for the lord Jesus Christ.
Who cares if their house(s) were five times bigger than the white house. They needed room to relax after a hard day of motivating people.
So what Tammy has expensive Jelwery. She needed to look good for the photo shoots God requested.
So what she had a barrel of mascara delivered once a month. If you cried for others, you go through allot too.
Big deal they sold more timeshares than they had room for. Accidents happen, and their human too.
It really must be nice to look at life through your prescription glasses. You need to take a look out of the box. Put on a pair of rose colored glasses, and you will also realize, the Bakkers gave more than they took and they paid dearly for their service to god. They were such heavenly people, and may god bless you.
Guest 23-Jul-2007 23:45
was not old enough to be around when it happened, but it looks like it would have been a cool place to hang out, and hit up the water park. now i just look at that building everyday from 10 miles away and it is like a sore thumb just sticking out of the trees.
Guest 23-Jul-2007 13:23
Those are the facts quoted by Charlie Sheppard are wrong facts by him...so what if they are in print.
I was there and know first hand about the cinnamon rolls...they were bought for the security staff early one morning and no one wanted them so they were put in Tammy's room. It also was NOT $100,00.00 to fly her stuff back. The airconditioned dog house was actually for a neighbors dog not Tammy Faye's, etc. etc.....They obviously screwed up and have paid a very dear price not to mentioned Jim's prison time.
Anyway....these now are minor issues...she is dead and you can rejoice that she is gone...never to take money from the little sheepy's again.
Fact quoted by Jesus Christ....
"In order to be forgiven YOU MUST forgive".
It is what it is......
Guest 23-Jul-2007 11:02
These people ran into the same temptation that every televangelist has to live in. They aren't christians anymore than the people who pay their church taxes every Sunday morning are christians. They mix money with God, expecting to receive a blessing in return. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. It's no wonder so many people are turned off from Jesus; it's because of the greed that today's Pharisees are showing them. God doesn't live in temples made by man, He lives in the relationships you have with strangers. If you can't take care of the needy around you, you can't love God. And if you're super wealthy, it just shows where your heart is. There are too many needy in this world for there to be ANY rich or wealthy christians. It just isn't possible.
Guest 23-Jul-2007 06:17
Attention All Sheeple.....Attention All Sheeple

Here's the facts for your wonderful Bakkers

Between 1984 and 1987, the Bakkers received annual salaries of $200,000 each and Jim awarded himself over $4,000,000 in bonuses. Their assets at that time included a $600,000 house in Palm Springs, four condominiums in California, and a Rolls Royce[citation needed]. In their success, the Bakkers took conspicuous consumption to an unusual level for a non-profit organization. PTL once spent $100,000 for a private jet to fly the Bakkers' clothing across the country. It also once spent $100 for cinnamon rolls because the Bakkers wanted the smell of them in their hotel room[citation needed]. According to Frances FitzGerald in an April 1987 New Yorker article, "They epitomized the excesses of the 1980s; the greed, the love of glitz, and the shamelessness; which in their case was so pure as to almost amount to a kind of innocence."

On March 19, 1987, following threats of the revelation of the payoff to former secretary Jessica Hahn, whom Bakker's staff members had paid $265,000 to keep secret her allegation that he had raped her, Bakker resigned from PTL. Jerry Falwell called Bakker a liar, an embezzler, a sexual deviant, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history."

Financial irregularities in the PTL organization led to another scandal. From 1984 to 1987, Bakker and his PTL associates had sold "lifetime memberships" for $1,000 or more that entitled buyers to a three-night stay annually at a luxury hotel at Heritage USA. According to the prosecution at Bakker's later fraud trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, but only one 500-room hotel was ever completed. Bakker sold more "exclusive" partnerships than could be accommodated, while raising more than twice the money needed to build the actual hotel. A good deal of the money went into Heritage USA's operating expenses, and Bakker kept $3,700,000 for himself. Bakker, who apparently made all of the financial decisions for the PTL organization, kept two sets of books to conceal the accounting irregularities. Reporters from the newspaper The Charlotte Observer, led by Charles Shepard, discovered and exposed the financial wrongdoings. [2]

These are documented facts with references....look it up, took me all of 5 minutes

That's what sheepleness gets you now keep defending them and sending your money, losers.

And to the previous poster "Brain-Washed Sheep" sorry but I had to steal some of your line, it fits perfect
Guest 23-Jul-2007 05:45
These photos sadden me. I spent many summers and Christmases of my childhood & teen years at Heritage USA with my family. I met so many people & enjoyed the Christian atmosphere throughout the park. My brother & I played with Tammy Sue & Jamie on occasion. I've stayed in all the lodging but the camping areas. My favorite was renting a chalet (we slept 14 people there!) & spending ALL day at the water park. I loved the swans on the pond & renting a paddle boat to get a closer look.

My father never complained about the money he lost in the timeshares. He said he'd spend it again to give us vacations like we had & on a school teacher's salary this was a lot of money! You can tell by the size of this place that Jim & Tammy Faye did not run it alone...it would be impossible. I believe poor advising was key to it's financial downfall, but because he was the head of PTL, he took the blame. He went to seminary school, they don't teach much about business there! I'll never judge them for the things that happened...it's not my job...it's God's & I think he does it better than anyone! Besides, I wouldn't want EVERY mistake I've made to be broadcast all over the nation (and beyond). Just like us, they learn from their mistakes, pick themselves up & move on...with their faith still intact. AMAZING!!
Guest 23-Jul-2007 04:11
don't tell me they didn't do anything personally to me i'm one of the fools that believed in them and sent money to help. I was used like so many others. gold bathroom fixtures in their home. I like nice things but give me a break i didn't know my money was going for them to take a golden crap. all those two did for me is show me how not to trust, always to keep my guard up and trust me hun i do. they were not working for the lord because the lord would never want monsters to spread his word. all they did was hide behind his good name for their own gain.
Guest 23-Jul-2007 04:01
hey Michelle you think these two people feel bad for what they did, go check out your boy Jim. new tv show doing the same crap he did with tammy. look at what they ask for donations, what they charge to join their new cult. I cannot believe someone has let this jerk back on the air. and tammy was no better with her books she wrote. and you know yes i say everyone makes mistakes but these two didn't give two craps they just dusted them selfs off and started again with taking money. I know if i were caught doing half the things they were I would go and bury my head in shame and never bring attention to myself again. I would be so ashamed. but not them two and trust me if tammy weren't so sick she would of been trying to get back on the band wagon just as her ex husband has. go type in Jim Baker go look at his new show and see what kind of money he and his new wife are going to soak out of people..
Judy Green 23-Jul-2007 03:59
We are all Sinners and how you can sit there and claim you are a Christian and condem Tammy and Jim..I can't believe you..You are gone to have to answer to god someday..I am glad that Jesus doesn't condem us, like you do to Tammy and Jim, we would all be in trouble...Tammy never did anything to you personally..Its people like you that give Christianity a bad name not Tammy..There are plenty of people in this world and in Hollywood that like nice clothes and wear a lot of Make up..But you like their Sex movies, so you won't dare complain about them because they are not Christian so its ok..Hypocrit!!!!..I am so sorry for you especially when you have to answer for what you said..Tammy just might be there beside him..In fact I am sure she will be..Where will you be when you die???
Solomon, Paul, & Jesus 23-Jul-2007 01:47
"You cannot serve both God and money."
"Do not let your left hand know what your right hand does."
"It is impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven."
"These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."
"Set your affections on things above, not things on the earth."
Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy."
"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint."
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction."
"Better is a little with the fear of the LORD Than great treasure and turmoil with it."
Michelle 23-Jul-2007 00:41
The Bakkers lived in no more opulence than any of the other televangelists. Most of the money raised went into the running of this (as you can see) huge park and the satellite ministry (PTL was the 4th satellite network--do you have any idea how much a satellite costs???) As far as I'm concerned, Tammy's only sin was that she enjoyed material things. If you want the absolute truth watch "The Eye's of Tammy Faye"...The woman truly cared about people and it took a lot of courage for her to go on Larry King the other night in the hope that she may help others. You people are heartless and I'm not a sheep or follower of any televangelist or denomination of any kind, so don't use that song and dance on me. I've never given a dime to any of them. I have my own belief system, however, I'm not going to fry this woman at the stake because she liked makeup, clothes and material goods. Get you facts about this case, the judge, Falwell and exactly how this whole thing played out before you judge Tammy Faye.
Guest 22-Jul-2007 21:56
She was a human being just like you. My God she is dead and all you speak is hate...
You can't be children because you would not have know about what happened in the 80's so it must be that you only act like children when it is something about which you have no clue.
I hope you will not be judged the way you are judging.
Guest 22-Jul-2007 17:57
I am a christian the difference between me and the bakers is i don't use god or hide behind him to make me rich. trust me hun you didn't send these devils your money did you now?? well many followers did and we were robbed. I have a hard time forgiving the devil which these two people were and anyone else in their cult. and please don't tell me that anyone can sit and say, poor tammy knew nothen that was going on give me a break she was one big phony on the tv. she taught me one thing to be very careful in who i trust. they taught me not to trust. mygod look at the crap with the kids that were raped in the news from men they thought they could trust. wake up, I don't need a church group to make me a good christian i have him in my heart where i am safe. i don't have to pay someone to let me sit in their building to love god. stand back and look at how churches spend money. pretty sick if ya ask me. and don't tell me the bakers gave their life to christianity, no they used christianity for their own gain, to make themselfs rich but see god takes care of sinners and the devil he pulled the rug right from under the bakers. all things come full circle and they got what they deserved. i can't stand people that use religion to say they are a good person. wish someone would tell some of these church goers that they should be good christians 7 days a week not just on sunday. sorry but these bakers changed my life in so many ways and trust me not for the good. but they did open my eyes to there are alot of devils amoung us. ........
Guest 22-Jul-2007 13:11
Anybody that ever visited the Heritage USA theme park knows it was NOT a cult...quite the contrary.
Don't believe the liberal media.
Yes, things were done wrong just like ANY portion of our society but millions of people lives were touch for the better because of Tammy Faye.
Our lose is her gain.
Michelle 22-Jul-2007 11:28
I really have a hard time believing that anyone could possibly wish for someone to "rot in hell". What is wrong with people today? If you are a true christian, I was under the impression that the whole concept is based on forgiveness? These people, regardless of what the wrong they did, have given their lives to christianity and I can't fathom how you can wish them or anyone for that matter.....to rot in hell?? People make me sad.
Carol Quinlan 22-Jul-2007 07:43
I watched PTL sometimes, off and on, just amazed at Tammy Faye. Not for her belief system, but for her obvious strength and intelligence and her ability to talk, talk, talk, talk. Without Tammy Faye I doubt Jim Bakker would have done anything. But, together, they were an able team, each with a kind of need to rise above everyday folk. Still, I did admire her gifts--high drama and a kind of compassion that seem to bloom as she became increasingly sick and fought her illnesses. She was courageous, but not honest. I doubt she ever saw the "big picture" in terms of her part in what went wrong. Best to her, despite her flaws.
Guest 22-Jul-2007 06:17
I loved Tammy Faye. She was an angel. She was a strong beautiful woman. She gave strength and courage to all who listened. She gave her self to God. But, she also fought hard to be a role model to all of us.

As for her make up, so what!, leave it alone people, don't be so shallow. Look at your own self.

God has blessed me and I ask God to Bless Tammy
Guest 22-Jul-2007 06:12
I remember living in South Carolina, hearing Jim Bakker begging all construction workers to come and work on Heritage. Even at that time you could see he was full of himself, and that whole "praise the lord" deal. He appeared to prey on the elderly, but I must say --ole Jim nearly pulled the scam off. Have a look at Google Maps, to the right of Hwy 77 at the Carowinds Blvd Exit, his shrine to himself remains.
Guest 22-Jul-2007 02:50
After reading about Tammy Faye's death I was really intrigued about PTL, which I only remember from being a kid and it being on during weekday morning for a few hours...before much cable TV that was a big deal...interrupting kids' programming! These pictures are totally eerie. Thanks for posting.
Nikki looking for Eric 15-Jul-2007 02:24
I was there in 1986ish with my father and grandparents... I was 13 I met a guy named Eric, 16, who was from New Jersey- I told him I would be back in a few days with my mother- I didn't get to come back. Never got to say goodbye- never forgot about that! Eric, are you out ther somewhere- if you see this, post back with your name and mine so I can find your post.
It was a beautiful place!
Lynn (Michelle Ingram) Murray 23-Jun-2007 22:12
Peter,
Do you have an older brother named Joe?
Lynn
Guest 21-Jun-2007 17:15
It was moved to his memorial in N.C.
Barry 20-Jun-2007 17:20
Thanks for the info on Kevin's House. I had no idea. What about Billy Graham's childhood home?
Guest 15-Jun-2007 18:26
Pam,

Thought so! I ran sound in the studio, barn and around the park. Also worked security...I moved there in April of 85 and left with the Aucoin's in 87. They are all in Chicago now. You can find here Dad at www.tln.com. I have spoken to him quite a bit since we broke up back in 87. Last I heard she was married with 3 or 4 kids. She and Tammy Sue were good friends when I met Michelle. Great to talk to you!

Peter
Guest 14-Jun-2007 23:46
After J & T left and after I left and the property was shut down. That area near the petting zoo and stables and the Bunk Houses was kinda of detached from other more highly trafficked areas and vandals came in and messed it up then they eventually set it on fire....although it was never deemed a "crime".
Guest 14-Jun-2007 18:30
The house burnt down?? After or before Jim and Tammy left?
Guest 14-Jun-2007 15:12
He passe away several years ago. Long before the house burnt down.
Barry 13-Jun-2007 20:46
Hey, Does anyone know what happened to Kevin, who Kevin's House was built for?
Lynn (Michelle Ingram) Murray 13-Jun-2007 20:12
Peter, I don't know who you are but I do remember the Aucoin's. I think Michelle graduated the same year I did.
Peter 13-Jun-2007 17:46
Pam, you attended the christian school there, didn't you?? I was engaged to Michelle Aucoin...I seem to remember you but may be mistaken...
Do you remember the Aucoins??
Guest 07-Jun-2007 15:20
Joyce,
I do not live there anymore but if I recall it is the Carowinds Blvd. Exit just south of Charlotte. If you are going south on I-77 exit at Carowinds and go left at the light and you go about a mile or less and the entrance to Regent is on your left.
Joyce Jude 06-Jun-2007 20:39
Addition P.S. Was a partner back in the 80's. Lost my PTL "partner edition" Bible during a move 2-3 years back. Does anyone have an extra one like it? KJV, red letter edition, brown leather soft binding, that you would be willing to part with? email me anytime. Joyce Jude
Joyce Jude 06-Jun-2007 20:36
Really enjoyed all the photos. Never visited Heritage USA but always wanted to. Have been very close to this area many times & did not know it was here."off Rt.77, then where? what exit? Where is the map? JJude
Bill Keese 11-May-2007 15:52
Can anyone tell me the exact location of what remains of Heritage USA? I live in East Texas and I would like to ride my motorcycle to South Carolina to see what remains. Is there anything still there that is worth seeing? Thanks. My name is Bill Keese and my email is IamCyclist@aol.com. Please email me.
Lynn (Michelle Ingram) Murray 02-May-2007 20:02
Wow!! These pictures sure did bring back memories. It was definiely the biggest back yard I ever had.
Joy Stares 23-Apr-2007 01:16
Pamela Schuffert: I read your comment and got so excited, because I never thought that it would be possible to contact you ever again.....I lived in your mothers home and shared your bedroom with you and my little girls.....My name is Joy and I am from Canada......do you remember me.....I left suddently to go back home......I had no money and your mother brought me to welfare to get a bus ticket for me and my girls to go home to Canada......the time spent at PTL was unforgettable regardless of the rampant sin...God saw the hearts of all the pure one.......especially you......you had a heart to go to Russia and also to minister to the Jewish people.........where are you now......please leave another post and tell me how I can get ahold of you...........
Guest 20-Apr-2007 19:19
I have just found this site and it saddens me so much to see what has happened to a place that has created so many wonderful memories for me and my family. My father worked at the PTL College and was there before Heritage USA was as huge as it was. My sister and I also went to the high school that they had for a few years before going to Ft. Mill High School. I myself was a lifeguard at the waterpark. I cried while looking at the pictures because I know how much the whole expereince meant to me and so many others. I am so thankful to the Good Lord for having been able to be a small part of such a wonderful place and I cherish the great memories that I still carry close to my heart. I know it meant a lot to a lot of people and it still does. Donna S.
Guest 25-Feb-2007 03:01
We've all sinned and come short of the Glory of God...that is why we need the forgiveness that only the Son of God could purchase for us.
We've been bought with a price, and it's was much to high of one to NOT forgive His children when we do wrong, both knowingly and unknowingly.
It's ok to forgive JB, since God already did.
Guest 24-Feb-2007 13:07
Na....Kim....he did stuff wrong...I was there. We all do stuff wrong but to whom much is given, much is expected.
KIM 22-Feb-2007 18:04
PRAISE GOD, IT IS OPEN AGAIN. IT WAS INTENDED FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST, AND THANKS TO MORNINGSTAR, IT IS OPEN. JIM BAKKER IS NOW BUILDING MORNINGSIDE IN BRANSON....THANK YOU JIM AND LORI AND MORNINGSTAR MINISTRIES. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DOUBTED JIM BAKKER, I STILL SAY HE DID NOTHING WRONG. GOD IS A GOOD GOD ALL THE TIME!!!!!
Guest 10-Feb-2007 03:50
Sorry to tell you John...it is MORE....the Grand is back OPEN......
john 10-Feb-2007 01:18
Hello so sad was there as a Teen in the Early 80's sad to see the Grand Hotel fall into ruins the place was always so nice when it was PTL but no more

but I have my memories to remember the good time's its where i met Vestal Goodman at so thats the great part
Guest 05-Feb-2007 21:41
The property never really had good security after the 1996 when it closed for the last time. Basically anyone could access the property if they successfully dodged what little security there was.
Most of the structures in these pictures are now all OPEN. The Towers are going to be fixed and become a retirement center. The Grand Hotel is OPEN along with most of the surrounding buildings including Main Street. The waterpark was torn down and cleared last year and the Heritage Inn was leveled before that.. A small retail center will be going in where the WP was. The Wendy's Castle is being renovated into a Youth Center and a lot more is going online as we speak. You can go to Morningstar Ministries website to see all the new action.
Guest 04-Feb-2007 14:15
Thanks for the memories. These are sad, but great, pictures. I never visited HUSA, but I used to was broadcasts on TV because this place was fascinating to see. How were you able to gain entrance to get to take the pictures. I would assume the site would be closed.
Pamela Schuffert 31-Dec-2006 01:32
I lived on the grounds of HERITAGE USA for 13 years. I witnessed the RISE and FALL of a spiritual empire, FALLEN BECAUSE OF SIN rampant throughout the ministry. My heart broke to find out the great sins of the ministry, and God told me one day that JUDGMENT WOULD COME because of NO REPENTANCE. And it came. I will never forget the lesson learned, to this day.-Pamela Schuffert, formerly of Sweetgum Drive in Dogwood Hills
Elizabeth 24-Dec-2006 14:24
It is Christmas Eve and I had so many wonderful Christmases at Heritage Village with my family. What happened there to the Bakker's affected all who who willingly supported them. We all suffered with them. For any wrong doings, there is forgiveness and although I could not compare them with some of the evils written here...all sin is the same with God...there are no degrees...and the same is said of forgiveness. That said, I do not diminish accountability but accountability for the wrongdoing committed ... not what happened here.
For all of you who loved Heritage Village and were part of it, I send you love and a very Merry Christmas. Perhaps we should have our own website.
Guest 18-Dec-2006 04:21
I watched PTL every day when I was in my late teens and early twenties until the Bakkers left. I did not have money to travel to Heritage USA, but wanted to. I am currently reading the various books published on what happened during the demise of that ministry. I could not bear to read about it before. I was saddened by how the ministry was destroyed. I never stopped loving the Bakkers and although I don't condone the excesses and mistakes. What happened to them after the scandal broke was also excessive and was cruel. I truly wished they had just apologized and asked for forgiveness and kept their ministry intact (as some other ministers have done). That is all over now, but felt I should state that. If it werent for forgiveness and restoration none of us would have a chance. I am happy for the The Bakker family that over time they have come full circle from all that happened and still love and serve God in their lives. Jim has a ministry out of Branson, MO. I am not sure what Tammy Sue is doing currently, but she has been a singer and minister. Sundance has a documentary type film out on Jay who founded a non-traditional ministry, called Revolution Church. Tammy Faye is in stage four inoperable lung cancer and could use our prayers.
Guest 17-Dec-2006 22:59
I know everyone has mixed feelings about Bakker. I ask you to consider this: Heritage USA was in its prime in the early 80's. I was a shy, quiet pre-teen then, and I was the butt of everyone's jokes at school, and my mother was extremely verbally abusive. Churxh people crammed rules down my throat, and I felt like a real loser...at Heritage USA, EVERY staff member treated me like a real person. Jim Bakker was the only reason I kept going...his ministry pointed me to Christ and His unfailing love. At Heritage USA, I felt like I belonged.
Yes, the scandal was a travesty...yes, TV evangelists often preach the wrong thing...but before you judge Bakker, look at the good he did. It breaks my heart to read comments comparing him to drug dealers...they are not the same...for that matter, drug dealers should be forgiven, too....yes, punishment is deserved. Bakker did his time...scrubbing dried semen off prison phone booths...give him a break, please...he was my only friend when I was a young teen.
Tim Welsh 15-Dec-2006 06:53
Forgive Tammy and Jim?????????????? OK! AND...
while we are all in a forgiving mood let's forgive a few of the poor black men who are in prison for selling drugs, and the women who are behind bars for prostitution. It seems the onlt time I hear folks talk about forgiving is when a rich white man has been caught breaking the law.
Most sell drugs to support their own habit, which is a sickness just like Rush Limbaughs addiction, and most prostitutes do it for the money they need to support themselves and whatever sickness they have. Let's forgive a few of them too. How about it Christians???
Guest 06-Dec-2006 21:15
PEOPLE....BEFORE YOU POST HERE PLEASE READ THE LAST...MAYBE...6 POST AND THERE YOU WILL FIND THAT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN RESTORED. IT STARTED BACK IN 04 AND MOST OF THE HERITAGE GRAND IS COMPLETE WITH THE BREAKOUT ROOMS AND CONFERENCE ROOMS COMPLETE BY 2007. 52 ACRES WAS BROUGHT AND IS ALMOST COMPLETE. THE STUDIOS AND BARN HAVE BEEN RESTORED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. THE OTHER PARTS OF THE PROPERTY ARE NOW HOUSES AND A GOLF COURSE........IT HAS/BEEN RESTORED...WHAT IS LEFT.
Suzy105 05-Dec-2006 16:26
I remember so well watching the building progress of Heritage USA on the old PTL show. What a beautiful retreat it would have been. No matter how well meaning people try to be, when money and power enter the picture, even the most honest-hearted can be swayed. Yes, the whole Bakker fiasco was terrible. Some one or corporation should go in there and finish and restore what was started. The whole project is in such a beautiful setting that surely many many people would be interested in coming there to vacation. Instead of lying there dead and unused it could be put to great use by being restored and renewed. It would be an asset to the state and an additional tax base to thte county. If I had the funds necessary to do it, I would in a heartbeat. Does anyone know if there are any plans underway to restore this property?
RC 30-Nov-2006 05:52
It is sad that Herritage USA, and the Bakkers ended up the way it did. I see lot's of other "televangelist" who are abusing the "syetem", faith and credit of their viewers in far worse ways. I hope one day that Herritage USA will re open, and be the gem in God's eyes.
Looking back, I see lots of things that could have been better, but knowing what we all know now, It is time that bad feelings are let go of, and hope for the greatest thing to appear.

I hope that Herritage re opens, it would be nice
Danny Casey 19-Nov-2006 20:52
Christ Himself said that forgiveness is a wonderful thing. It is wrong what has happened with PTL but we are all human... not perfect. We all make mistakes and should all be forgiven regardless of how hard that is to do. That IS the Christian thing to do. Respectfully submitted...
Guest 16-Nov-2006 06:58
Its funny how after all these years the comments from these guest are still fighting with each other. What they did or didnt do is irrelevant anymore. The money is gone they owe the irs and the place is closed. Let it rest..you cant change history. Im sure that they are christians as some of you think you think they cant be. We all take a wrong path and make choices we shouldnt but that is why god is here for us. I really feel sorry for them because the kids were traumatized and taken from the only life they knew and it was not their fault but they endured the backlash. I did not have money involved but If I did I would forgive and get on with life as everyone should just like god says to and quit judging because you dont know all of the story...no one does but them and God. They have asked for forgiveness so they are going on with life while you are whittling away yours on hate and resentment. I am blessed and I pray all of you are too!
Guest 15-Nov-2006 12:34
Oh OK...we agree on that.
Guest 14-Nov-2006 23:13
One who follows Christ. Not one who swindles others because they follow Christ.
Guest 14-Nov-2006 13:36
NO...you are wrong. If they have asked forgiveness (which apparently they have) their sins are as far as the East is from the West and they will be right along side YOU in heavenly places.
In addition, people need to know that this "park" is no longer what is was and it would be impossible to restore it the way it was (no matter how much money one has) as land has been parcelled out, waterpark has completely been removed, etc.
Once again....do not be fooled....the Heritage Grand Hotel and some surronding property IS BEING RESTORED FOR THE KINGDOM!
Exactly what is a "real" christian?????
Guest 14-Nov-2006 01:57
There's only one reason, and one reason only why this park has not been revived. It's not wort the cost. No one believes they can make a profit on this place the way that it once did. Evangelical Christians -- and the far Christian right for that matter, have annoyed most 'real' Christians to the point that there simply would not be enough interest to sustain such and adventure. Are you guys forgetting that these folks fooled all of you? They got filthy rich by taking advantage of your beliefs. I realize you may have had good memories of this place and, for some, it may have strenghted your faith and even brought to people to Christ. But, overall, the effect of Jim and Tammy's shameful behavior was to turn off most people to Jesus and faith. They will be punish drastically on Judgement Day.
Guest 03-Nov-2006 12:30
go to www.google.com and type in Morningstar Fort Mill S.C. and it will give you directions and a map. It is very easy to find as it is right off of I-77 at the Carowinds Exit.
guest 03-Nov-2006 00:10
Can anyone give me the address or directions to Heritage USA in Fort Mill SC?
guest 23-Oct-2006 02:55
It is so wonderful to know that the Heritage USA grounds have finally been brought back into the hands of believers. Many ministries have come together and bases ministries out of these same grounds. This property was dedicated to God and could never prosper in the hands of anyone who did not use it for God's purposes. To see the wonderful progress done on the grounds go to www.Morningstarministries.org and go to the link H.I.M. It will give you an update of the progress and share the vision. It is not the same vision as before but I am thankful for what is being done. God Bless all those who are involved. I so support the current vision and restoration.
Mom of 3 19-Oct-2006 18:05
I, like many others, had no idea this site existed, but I am happy to have found it, and all the pictures contained here. Many of my family had partnerships in the PTL ministry, We gave openly and willingly, not to Jim and Tammy as individuals, but to the "Ministry" located at Heritage Village. Yes, it is sad to see how it has worn down over the years, but it can, and is being restored. I pray that once again, it will become a place where Christians can join with one another. I willingly watched and supported PTL, and, every night, heard these words at the closing of every program..."YOU CAN MAKE IT, GOD LOVES YOU, HE REALLY DOES!", and just knew in my heart, that no matter whatever I was faced with...I Would make it! 20 years later, my husband and I now watch the new program from Branson, and sit quietly in our family room, and thank GOD for restoration.

.....always remember, "God loves you, He really, really, does!"
Guest 01-Oct-2006 22:01
It's a shame to read all of the negative comments posted by people that never visted PTL. Of course they focus on the "flamboyant" aspects of the park but there was so much more. Just being with thousands of like minded people was uplifting. The Upper Room, the Passion Play, the services, and so many other things were incredible to experience. How many places can you think of that are built on a "pay as you build" basis? Where can you take your family today and have a prayer session on the sidewalk with total strangers? With Gods help, Jim and Tammy brought me back to the Lord and I thank them for that.









Guest 27-Sep-2006 12:47
Bix,
Obviously you never went to HUSA. 98% of the people that went there we getting spiritual and physical needs met. There were multiple services going on EVERY day. Marriage workshops that saved thousands of marriage. An unwed Mother's home that saved thousands of babies. Fort Hope that had a waiting list for young men who had drug and life problems that were getting their lives back on track. Kevins House that was established to be a fully equipped facility to care of the needs of handicappeds people. A local food pantry where the poor and hungry could go for free and get food and support. This was not even on the grounds of HUSA but was totally support by it. The Upper Room, a 24 hour prayer house were tens of thousands of peole had their spiritual needs met...Yeah....there were major mistakes but the list of Godly, "being Jesus" acts were too numerous to count.
I know it is hard to judge a ministry when all you get is a secular report on it but you are wrong in your religious diatribe.
BixB 26-Sep-2006 15:37
I just found this site from a link on another page. I had no idea this place had existed, and it makes me kind of ill to know that it ever did.

Anyone who claims to be a Christian should be measuring their actions against the teaching and example of Jesus. When you study Christ's life, some things are abundantly clear: (1) he cared most about meeting the real needs of people, both physically and spiritually, and (2) he never sought glory or ease for himself ("I came to serve, not to be served.")

Christians giving and using vast sums of money to create a theme park so that they can indulge themselves in one more recreational opportunity (in a country obsessed with entertaining itself), strikes me as falling so far short of the example of Christ as to not even be in the smae solar system.

Until Christians have done all we possibly can to ease the physical suffering of billions of people around the world and to ensure people know God, there's no excuse for this kind of travesty.
a_ragamuffin 16-Sep-2006 06:43
One of my earliest childhood memories is being butted by a sheep and falling down and hurting my head at heritage U. S. A. (and incedentally, the word "Usa" in Romanian means "door".)

In response to the continuing arguement: (terribly paraphrased from Paul's letter to the Romans) All are guilty under the law. Christ came to fulfill the law. We are worthy to be in the Presence of God not through our *own* righteousness (because God's standard is perfection - and _any_ sin is putting ourselves ahead of God, thereby offending the Perfect and Eternal, and worthy of an eternal punishment...), but through the righteousness that *Christ* imputes. Without Him, none may see God. With Him, anyone may come.... This is to say, (not a paraphrase): "Believe on the lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved."

This is what I believe to be absolutely true. And yes, folks say that things are relative, but honestly, no one really believes it (e.g. the "if I punch you in the gut for no apparent reason because it was the right thing to do for my morality...." argument)....
and I'm going to bed, now...
Denis Salmon 15-Sep-2006 04:16
I just found this site and I too have wonderful memories of PTL. I hate to see the ruins of what it has become.
Guest 19-Aug-2006 12:31
next...
MButterman 31-Jul-2006 20:43
While I can certainly appreciate the memory all of you have for this place and your opinions about alternative lifestyles, I would like to add my POV's While I wouldn't choose a alternative lifestyle (Notice I avoid the label of Gay), I allow others to make that choice for themselves and leave those choice between them and God. Personally I'm too flawed and imperfect as a human being to render such judgements. I make the choice to leave that to God because he is able to do a far better job than I. While I'm NO EXPERT in the subject of PTL, I have to wonder about the financial affairs. Again I won't try to take over a job I am in no way qualified to, I leave that to the trained professionals and not to try this at home.

I think you can teach a person by communicating and not damning. While my values certainly don't reflect our present values. I think you to be able to pacj the message in way that it is recieve and yet not dilute its meaning. One thing I have learned is that the minute you use the word "You", people stop listening because their core values are being attacked. It comes down to what Christ said himself "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone" Since these are my feelings and values, I refuse to make someone else responsible for them. I choose to feel whatever I choose to and by claiming them I can mange them and modify them much easier.

As for heritage USA, In it's time it might had been pleasing to the eyes and ears but today I would prefer to help fashion the landscape of a person's heart and fertilize the soil of their spirit them to fashion the landscape of this place and to fertilize it's soil.. I would rather cultivate the faith of man then cutivate this soil. In the end all things must return to the dust, a dust they were fasioned from. There is but one thing twe have that will survive in death, and I think it is this that we must raise and rebuild. Thanks for the listening ear everyone.
Guest 29-Jul-2006 01:42
sorry...just tried off this page...
STACY 27-Jun-2006 05:51
I think so often we "Nit-Pick" every little body who comes to Christ or who wishes to come to Christ, and we so often don't step back and realize that, that is what was going on in the "religious" world before our savior bleed and died on Calvary's hill for ALL of us. This group didn't think that group was "WORTHY" that group didn't think this "GROUP" should be allowed. Then guess what happened? An unwed women became pregnant "OUT OF WEDLOCK!!"( Oh the gossip that must have stired up) to a man of a diffrent tribe of Joseph (that would ALMOST be intermarriage in those days, yet more gossip) and then guess what HAPPENED, believe it or NOT!! They ran off without anyone's permission!! to a diffrent country! WHAT did they have to hide?? Why would anyone do anything so undercovers? It's not like they had anything to be ashamed of, I mean GOD Himself had sent an angel to announce the news to them. I mean dosen't anybody in the city read the papers??? People should have been beating down their doors to go to that baby shower RIGHT!! NOT EXACTLY, you see the Holy books that they lived by as Jews (better know to us Christians as the old testament) DEMANDED that this unwed women be taken to the city gates and STONED!! WHAT HAPPENED? We're God fearing bible belivers Right?? How dare she escape under the cloke of midnight, without her parents permission, PREGNANT and with a man who has dishonored her familys name!! Still till this day in the middle east that's a death sentance! The jest of my story is, the rest of the world would have been against Mary "because the Holy books said they should be" yet God had a diffrent plan, I think that we as christians need to WAKE UP and realize that scriputre that says " Behold I am doing a NEW thing" might actually mean that God is doing a new thing. He might not want us to drag every unwed pregnant girl to the city gates and stone her, he might not want us to put to death every person who does not leave the edges of their fields for reapers or gleamers, he might not actually want us to turn away from everybody who doesn't vote Rebulican!!! Maybe in a still small voice he's saying "Come unto me ALL ye who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest, take my yoke upon you and LEARN of me for I am meak and lowly in heart, and you will find rest unto your soul for my burden is easy and my yoke is light" And just maybe he means ALL, not just the one's that your church deems good enough.
Guest 26-Jun-2006 13:09
I believe the question from Jim was he had heard that HUSA is going to re-open as he heard rumor they had a fanancial backer. HUSA does NOT exist anymore, the way people remember it. A small portion of the property (52 acres) was purchased by HIM(Morningstar) and then a couple of dozen acres including the Upper Room, Barn, Studio are being used for minitry.. .Don't get me wrong... GREAT things are happening there but HUSA does NOT exist therefore there is no financial backer. I believe it is a misnomer to lead people to believe that things are going to be the way they were. This my point.
Regarding the question about evangelizing S.C....lol.
The majority of these ministries, including Morningstar are "equipping" ministries meaning they are preparing mostly young people to go out into all the world to evangelize. Most are there only temporarely before being released to go and minister. In addition, many wonderful conferences are being held there. God has truly restored a portion of the property for His glory.....
Guest 26-Jun-2006 12:00
they are in fact working on trying to re-open it...I was there yesterday and not only talked to someone who is a big part of morning star ministries, but I also got to talk to one of the men who was a pastor at HUSA during the PTL days. The Upper Room is fully restored and was just opened again..it's open 8-5 monday through friday. main street shops are being re-done...the lovely fronts that used to be on the buildings are gone though because mold got up under them so when those are done they'll just look like regular store fronts. But churches and ministries are trying to re-open it...there's going to be a school built there in the near future.
Guest 25-Jun-2006 17:24
Why are ministries coming to evangelize in South Carolina? Is the state that bad?
Guest 16-Jun-2006 14:25
HUSA does not exist anymore to be "re-opened". The property has all been sold in peices. For instance the waterpark is competely tore down and is a bare lot.
The positive side of things is that there are several ministries that have made some of the property their home. The old Heritage Grand hotel and the Towers is now owned and operated by Morningstar Ministries. The old barn and studio is owned and operated by Flames of Fire Ministires with some other ministries making parts of the property their home. The majority of the 2,300-2,600 acres that was HUSA has and is being developed as upscale residential housing.
HUSA does no longer exist thus making it impossible for it to re-open.
Jim Howell 16-Jun-2006 01:57
Someone told me that Heritage USA may be re-opening. I was told that a financial backer was going to open it again. Is this correct?
Guest 14-Jun-2006 19:19
You can find out all this info at a yahoo group.
HeritageUSA@yahoogroups.com
Guest 13-Jun-2006 15:20
Does anyone know if the former PTL singer Ron Aldrich (I think that was his name) is still involved in music? He was hosting the show along with another PLT singer, Brenda, towards the end of the broadcast days.
Guest 12-Jun-2006 19:17
My anology was in reference to someone being a part of something that explicitly rejects them. I agree that the "church" is its people with "Christ" (hopefully) as its leader. I believe the only reason a chruch should exist is to bring people to Christ. But Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God. Hence, the Bible says "no" to a lot of things. I think we are supposed to turn away from sin as defined in the Bible and give ourselves to God. There is no other way. I see my bisexuality as a burden, a pain in the neck. But I do not or have ever acted on those feelings. I just want to get through this life as best as I can, pray that God will help me on the way so that I can make it into heaven.
Guest 12-Jun-2006 01:05
Yes of course. There are a lot of things banned in the Bible. Murder for example is banned in the Bible. Adultry as well. and a lot of other things. Whether all sin is equal seems to be open to debate. Being gay is certainly not the same as genocide, at least not in my opinion. But if anyone calls themselves something, are there no set definitions of what is expected? Is everything open to interpretation? I honestly don't care whether someone is gay or not. I am bisexual. I am sure that when or if Christ comes back, he will sort everything out. After all, he is God. I know God created everyone and everything for a reason. Things happen in life for a reason. But the fact remains that homosexuality is banned in the Bible, whether you like it or not.
Guest 12-Jun-2006 00:05
"But the fact remains that homosexuality is banned in the Bible, whether you like it or not." I am not and was not disagreeing with you on this.
Lying is banned in the Bible. Everyone has lied...everyone!(except Jesus)
This is what I am saying in response to you comparing gays attending church to blacks attending a Klan mtg. There is no comparison. The Klan hates blacks...the church(at least the one I attend) does not hate gays. We welcome them....this is my point. The church has failed... the church is not about a building, a pulpit, a pew this all was introduced way after Jesus died
for us all. It a lot of cases it is just empty religion. Just because I lied or someone is else is gay does not mean we cannot go to church.
Guest 11-Jun-2006 23:26
Yes of course. There are a lot of things banned in the Bible. Murder for example is banned in the Bible. Adultry as well. and a lot of other things. Whether all sin is equal seems to be open to debate. Being gay is certainly not the same as genocide, at least not in my opinion. But if anyone calls themselves something, are there no set definitions of what is expected? Is everything open to interpretation? I honestly don't care whether someone is gay or not. I am bisexual. I am sure that when or if Christ comes back, he will sort everything out. After all, he is God. I know God created everyone and everything for a reason. Things happen in life for a reason. But the fact remains that homosexuality is banned in the Bible, whether you like it or not.
CHRISTIAN ROSS 11-Jun-2006 22:39
GOD BLESS HERITAGE U.S.A. and all the lives effected by JIM&TAMMY.GOD is great.Through him all things are possible.AMEN C
Guest 11-Jun-2006 13:15
So are you going to defend your ridiculous statement about the "banned in the Bible"???
This is where the Church is going wrong. Jesus died for our sins....all sin. Not for the religious that hide behind Sunday morning services.
Guest 10-Jun-2006 01:17
Only cos this subject keeps coming up, my friend.
Guest 06-Jun-2006 14:15
All sin is banned in the Bible. By your standard no one would be able to go to church.
"We all have sinned and fallen short".

This is not a gay disscussion board....why try and make one?
Guest 05-Jun-2006 19:33
How can a gay man go to church when it is banned in the bible? That is like a black man going to a klan meeting.
Guest 25-May-2006 22:04
I see one post in this thread by a Becky Willard and it just says she liked PTL???
Guest 21-May-2006 22:21
I had made fun of Jim and Tammy, as well as PTL, before I became informed. I read Tammy's story and my whole perspective changed. She is just a good person from head to toe. She loves people for who they are. Becky claims to be a Christian, but still in a nice way bashes homosexuals. Why bring that up, if you are such a Christian??? Becky is WAY more evil than Jim Baker could ever be. Going to church, marrying a man of the cloth, and spouting off like an intelligent person, does NOT make one a Christian!!!! Tammy Faye should be an inspiration for you, as that is the type of person I hope to become. I am gay! I would NEVER cast stones at Becky unless prompted to from her, which she has done in her asinine post. I am SO thankful I do NOT belong to her church of thought.
Guest 12-Apr-2006 00:05
This website pretty much has all of the information past and present about Heritage USA/PTL and is the most comprehensive I've seen so far. It's up to date on what's happening at Heritage USA now.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HeritageUSA

You do have to register to post and all posts are moderated for content.
Guest 12-Apr-2006 00:02
Heritage USA was a great place. For those who say that it wasn't "Christian," I guess you never had the opportunity to visit it. As for Jim Bakker - I wish him well in his new life & endeavors. Whatever he chooses to do with his life/ministry is his business and if people want to support him, I believe that is their choice.
Guest 11-Apr-2006 09:29
"nothing christian about HUSA".....ignorance is bliss....
ILVA 10-Apr-2006 20:24
GRACE AND PEACE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
I LOVE THE H.I.M. AND MY WISH IS TO BE THERE WITH YOU, AND I KNOW THAT OUR LORD WILL BE THIS WISH.
ILVA - BRAZIL / BAHIA.
Guest 10-Apr-2006 20:12
There is nothing "christian" about HUSA
Guest 10-Apr-2006 13:14
AND I heard from the Lord too....go and lay naked on your side in the middle of the city for one year....no wait He already told someone to do that.
Wait...I think I hear Him again...go and dip yourself seven times in the dirty river and then you will be healed.....no no wait...darn..He already told someone to do that too.
Yeah..being a follower of Jesus can sometimes seem stupid.....I am a following of Christ and proud to be wierd.
Disclaimer...."not a follower of Jim Bakker".
Guest 09-Apr-2006 23:56
And the Lord said, "Let my followers build the holiest of hotels. Jim, you are to go on nationnal TV and tell them the good news; that whoevers gives their money to me, shall be blessed with a larger house and a nicer car. For this is the will of the Lord. Go and build a theme park and resort for the Lord." Amen.
Guest 06-Apr-2006 12:30
Go to this site. All the areas are open but the landscape is dramatically changing.
http://him.morningstarministries.org.
Guest 05-Apr-2006 22:50
I will be in the Fort Mill area this weekend and would like to visit Heritage USA to take some photographs. Does anyone know if the area is at least partly accessible to guest? Thanks.

Guest 04-Apr-2006 20:52
I grew up at PTL because I lived there in my childhood. It was an amazing place and have great memories of the place. I recently went to see what it looked like now and it was heartbreaking. PTL will always have a place in my heart.
Guest 31-Mar-2006 03:07
I suggest reading the book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Athesit." It will disturb anyone claiming to be an atheist......perhaps enough to persuade them to begin a search for the God who has been there all along. The book provides crucial information needed to avoid being swept away by the onslaughts of secular ideologies that cast science, philosophy, and biblical studies as enemies of the Christian faith. Atheism requires gobs of blind faith while the path of logic and reason leads straight to the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you are still a skeptic after reading this book, them I suspect you are living in denial!
Guest 31-Mar-2006 02:51
Happy Atheist.........Isn't that an oxymoron?
Tom 27-Mar-2006 01:37
This place is a joke. If you want a really laugh, tune in Jimmy's new show. He's got a new wife and a whole flock of kids. Now I hear he iw working on a theme park in MO (where he lives now). Maybe he is working on another prison term, too. Let's see if anybody is stupid enough to send the bastard money.
Guest 26-Mar-2006 02:33
Were there ever any other minorities that went to this place? All I see are white suburbanites in these pictures.
DEBORAH JOHNSON 15-Mar-2006 20:38
I lived on the grounds of Heritage USA in 1987 -1988. I went to school there in the 6th & 7th grades. If anyone reads this that was in school there at the same time I would love to hear from you. The time I spent there was the most memorable in my life! Jim & Tammy Baker may have made a lot of mistakes but I can truly say I was blessed to be there. It helped shape me into the person I am today. I am particulary looking for two students that were there the same time I was. There names are Wendy & Stephanie. I can't remember their last names but if anyone wants to contact me, you can reach me at deborahlayne@yahoo.com.
Guest 12-Mar-2006 12:17
Click on this to answer your questions...
http://him.morningstarministries.org.
BECKY WILLARD 11-Mar-2006 20:05
YES CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THE PTL IS GOING TO REOPEN AND WHEN WE ALWAYS LOVED TO GO CAMP THERE IT WAS A GREAT PLACE TO TAKE YOUR KIDS.
Erin 08-Mar-2006 16:57
First off, thanks so much for posting these beautiful images of HUSA. I spent some amazing summers on vacation there as a child. They truely are some of my most fond memories growing up. It really was a beautiful place, and I believe built with the good intentions of a man. But as many posts have said we are only human, and unfortunatley sometimes Christians (as I am) can be the most judgemental. My life was blessed by my experiences there, and for that I will always be greatful.
Secondly, to the "Guest" explaining the use of "Sue's" well intended Christian-ease- .. . . . Well Said!!!!
Also a Christian and proud to be wierd.. . . . . .
Lee Keels 10-Feb-2006 21:13
I just noticed the names of two people I recognize from my days at Heritage USA. I was in the Passion Play for several years and knew Joe Basinger there. I also knew Brad Bacon although he might not remember me (didn't actually work together). If either of you would like to contact me, please do!
Guest 05-Feb-2006 12:36
Sue,
If you go to this site you will find the answers. You have to register and all posts are screened first.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HeritageUSA
Sue 05-Feb-2006 05:21
Who were the original PTL singers, or perhaps the last group to stay on the air? Where are they now?
Guest 29-Jan-2006 02:25
Beauty for Ashes...as the scripture says....
While I know you are posting this because of the pain in your life know that God is working.......God can and will help you...
The "church" is now becoming beautiful because of the ashes....
You have a gift..no big deal unless you are not serving God.....
Fred 29-Jan-2006 02:13
I keep having these recurring nightmares that Jim and Tammy are coming for me. In my dream, Im in a subway tunnel, then up from the sewar comes Jim and Tammy and they have these teeth like a shark. They start chasing me and as I get to the surface, I look behind me and they turn to ashes. Does anybody understand this? Glory to Jesus!
Guest 20-Jan-2006 12:56
Naw man..... you need to read your Bible. "washed in the blood"..You sound like Jesus's 12 disciples did, when He told them they were eating His flesh and drinking His blood. The Bible is wierd to those that do not have Christ living in their heart but that is what makes being a Christian so fun...it is the most exciting life one can live.
"gross and gory"...did you not see The Passion of the Christ???? Christianity is not about little singing Angels and crosses on your dash board. It is the life changing power that Jesus gave us all by His blood shed on the cross.....get it..."washed in the blood".
"love offerings" is a financial donation.
Sometimes "old school" Christians talk in religious terms and I believe she was addressing people that follow Jesus thus the religious sounding terms. I suppose if she was addressing someone, such as yourself, she may not have used "church talk".
I am a Christian and proud to be wierd.....
Guest 20-Jan-2006 04:50
"love offerings", "kill and eat their own", "washed in the blood of jesus"? Lady, do you realize how seriously disturbed you sound? You really need to take a step back and evaluate your way of thinking. Obsession with sex and death is not a healthy mental state. Religion shouldn't be this gross and gory. Maybe even a shrink could help you get your mind out of the rather depraved place it seems to be in right now.
Sue 18-Jan-2006 23:25
Thank you for the wonderful pictures. I never got to come to Hertiage USA but always thought it was a wonderful idea to have a place like this one that has the LORD JESUS at its center where families could come to slow down , fellowship and minister and be ministered to. Why not? How many millions of hotels and theme parks are there in the world that don't honor CHRIST? I supported PTL through love offerings (and don't regret it to this day)and once ordered the entire bible on tape(cassette) through PTL. I loved listening to the WORD and still love the LORD and his word today.

I know that God works all things together for good to those that love him, to those that are the acalled according to his purpose. I love Jim and Lori Bakker. I love Tammy and Roe as well. I love Tammy Sue and Jamie Charles. To whom much is given much will be required. We ALL have sinned and fallen short of the GLORY of GOD. Those without sin as Jesus said "cast the first stone." Christians are called to love and restore their own, not kill and eat their own. I praise GOD for the ministry the Bakkers proclaimed over my life. GOD loves you he really does. And "You Can Make IT."

I believe that all those washed in the forgiving blood of JESUS are soul tied one to another as a body that cannot function without all of its parts. When one of us sins and falls and is hurting we all hurt. This is what the unbelivers that are posting here don't understand. The understanding comes through the power of the HOLY SPIRIT and the forgiveness also.

I am so happy to see Jim and Lori on the air again and that his message of restoration is deeply touching the body of CHRIST. Rejoice like in JESUS" story of the prodigal son "YOUR BROTHER HAS COME HOME AGAIN." Rejoice. To all of my brothers and sisters in the LORD on this site I love you. If I don't meet you in this life i will dance with you in the heavenly realm with our LORD of whom their is no other JESUS the CHRIST! Amen
Betty 18-Jan-2006 19:46
Wonderful memories of Heritage USA....Love seeing the revival..We need it.
Guest 17-Jan-2006 01:29
I just found this website. I did bring back a lot of memories. My parents, brother & I came down when they first opened. We stayed in the campsite next to Ampi-Theatre. They didn't have the electrical hookup, however we didn't mind. We made a lot of friends in the Recreation Center.

Year after year, we would go to HUSA not to blindly follow the Bakkers, but to enjoy the fellowship with the saints we had met before. My parents would keep in touch and meet our friends there during the summer. My parents renewed wedding vows with Henry Harrison in the Ampi-Theatre. Henry Harrison baptized me in the Olympic Pool. I alot of good memories.

As time went on, it became an attraction instead of a place of fellowship. So my parents stopped going. With the scandals, we felt it was only a matter of time until it closed.

However, we always felt there was a purpose for this land. He was perserving it for the right people. Now, 19 years later, Rick Joyner & Morning Star Ministries has purchased the Hotel and 52 acres of land there. They are restoring the property and fulfilling the purpose that God had for it. God's word and prophetic ministry is flowing on this property once again.

We need to continue to pray that Rick Joyner and Morning Star Ministries are successful in ministering the word and keep their eyes on the Lord for direction instead of flowing the path the Bakkers did.
Joe Basinger 28-Dec-2005 00:17
Hello all ,
Thanks for posting your great pics of the grounds.Sure brings back the memories.
I worked in Production from 1984-1989 or when Hugo hit. My last day was the day after the storm.I moved to Florida about 2 weeks after that .I am now working for a ministy in Strasburg Pennsylvania .Hope all who were involved in this lost vision are doing well.
Best Regards,Joe
Beth 22-Dec-2005 21:16
This is my first time on this site and I have been reading the comments made. I am a born again Christian and I do not agree with the things of the world, such as homosexuality. It states in the Bible it is wrong, but I will not put the gays and lesbians down as we are taught in the Bible to love one another as Christ loves us. In the Bible it says Jesus loves everyone, he does not love the sin. He wishes for everyone to go to Heaven, but He knows not everyone will make it. Now on the issue of Jim, if he has truly repented for his sins, he has been forgiven by Jesus. If Jesus not only forgave him, but forgot it as well what makes us think we are better the Jesus and not be able to forgive and forget what Jim did. Jim made a mistake, as we all have. I have recently gotten married to a man who is a Man of God. He has been in the ministry for over 18 years. He is human and has his faults, but it does not make him less of a minister. We as Christians need to be more forgiving of others and loving and praying for those who are lost. We should not be tearing others down. My husband had the opportunity to talk and visit with Jim when PTL was in full swing. To this day, he does not put him down or tear him apart. Jim did wrong and has paid his debt to society. It should be let go. My husband also had the opportunity to meet and visit with Uncle Henry and Aunt Susan of PTL. Aunt Susan still lives at her house in Heritage. I had the pleasure of meeting Aunt Susan before my husband and I got married this past May. We were blessed to be married at Aunt Susan's house. Aunt Susan felt very honored to have the wedding at her house. She is a very sweet lady. I just wanted to voice my opinion on the web site. Thank you.
John 21-Dec-2005 01:15
Censored one, perhaps that anology was not the best one to make. Do you really take things that literally? Let me try to explain what I think about HUSA without offensive rheteric. Here it goes. It seems to me that the Bakker followers are following him still because that is all they know. Even though they had been used. I have no problem if some people in the world have nice feelings about this place. Whatever. I am just miffed that some people would still follow the Bakkers.
John 19-Dec-2005 03:26
as far as cencorship on this site is concerned, the owner can do whatever he/she wants.
John 19-Dec-2005 03:22
I am the one who made the anology about Bakkers followers being like sex victims. Its nice to see that no matter how many anologies one makes about something, it never gets understood. I am Christian, but I certainly am NOT, nor have been a follower of the Bakkers. And "NO" I was never a sex victim. Excuse me for expressing my OPINION! Some of you people should get out more often.
Kappasigmapi17-Dec-2005 01:18
John said people like you are LIKE those who have been sexually abused. You said John MUST HAVE HAD first hand experience with sexual abuse. You said he "was something," he said people who follow Bakker post-scandal are "like something." Two totally different statements. His statement, while I do not agree with it, refers to a comparison of circumstances. Your statement was personal invective. John's comment wasn't directed at former employees, it was about those who still follow Bakker post-scandal. I personally believe he has changed and feel he is truly sorry for his past misjudgements, but if someone doesn't feel the same way, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
I never said I didn't retain control over this board, but I have never deleted a comment unless it had no value to the conversation. You're creating controversy where none exists. This is a message board on a singular person's personal photo album account, not the public square.
The Censored One 16-Dec-2005 21:32
This should work...
Guest 16-Dec-2005 21:23
I am sorry...the direct post below this one is from former"guest" now known as The Censored One.
Guest 16-Dec-2005 21:22
Thank you for responding but I believe your comments confirm my opinion of your site. Because you feel what was said "is an analogy that can be made" is your relative opinion based on what you feel is an appropiate metaphor. This is censorship in it's most blatant form.. He/she can say I am "like" a victum of incest but when I said he/she is must be "like" a victum of incest you censor my post. Comparing former employees of HUSA to victums of incest is NOT an appropiate metaphor.
In my opinion there are LOTS of childish post on your forum but then it is YOUR forum and you have the right to censor. But let's be honest with ourselves here. Your defense does not hold water. It is OK to censor but at least admit it.
Kappasigmapi16-Dec-2005 18:42
Guest, Perhaps while researching this album and the others hosted here, you noticed how many messages are from someone with the moniker "Guest." Since you post anonymously, I have no clue what you posted as opposed to any other anonymous person using "Guest." I have no clue what your stance is because "Guests" have posted messsages both supportive and critical of Christianity, Bakkers, PTL, etc. I hold no prejudice against you, Guest, or any other Guest.

The day before yesterday, I removed a number of posts, both from "Guests" and from those who have left names, not based on their stance, but because their posts were childish. "John" said, "Bakkers followers are a lot like victims of sex abuse by their parents." While that is not my personal opinion, it is an analogy that can be made and I do not believe it to be slanderous. But then someone posting as Guest, whom I now presume to be you, implied that John must have some first-hand experience with abuse. John employed metaphor, Guest employed an ad hominem attack. It's a personal attack and it's baseless (do you know John personally to make such a claim?) and childish, so it was removed. I also removed a post from a "Guest" who was clearly opposed to Bakker/PTL in response to someone saying they'd pray for them, where again "Guest" (likely not you, but who knows?) said "I'll be praying...marijuana is legalized." Again, a childish comment that does not belong on my board, so I removed it. There are probably many more posts I should have removed, but I have only noticed the recent decline in the level of the discussion here and wanted to tone down the rhetoric and bring this board back to the civil place it has been for years, where people of all walks can come and say their peace.

I pay to host this site out of my own pocket because it's something I want to share and it makes it all worthwhile when someone finds this site and leaves a note about how they visited Heritage USA as a kid and viewing these pictures brought back so many fond memories. However, it is not censorship or persecution when I remove comments from my intellectual property at my discretion. I have been very hands off in managing this board and have let many conversations have a life of their own, such as the one that a Guest had with the Happy Atheist.
Bo Jangles 15-Dec-2005 23:50
When I was a kid, me and my brother watched this show on TV. It was so hilarious! Tammy was the best, she was like a caracature of the Joker, running around and crying for more money. Fun Fun Fun! I miss that show. I wish I could get the episodes on DVD. I think it would be worth the money.
Todd Barwick 15-Dec-2005 16:02
Hi! I just wanted to invite anyone who is interest in the renovations now taking place at the former Heritage USA complex (now known as Regent Park) to join my Yahoo! group. We post updates and photos on the redevelopment and try to keep members informed on the progress taking place.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HeritageUSA
Guest 13-Dec-2005 17:31
As I now have researched this site a little...it is all beginning to make sense.
I am outta here.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Guest 13-Dec-2005 13:13
Kappasigmapi....since this is your photo board I am assuming you deleted my post.
Why mine and not this other slanderous post.
Guest 13-Dec-2005 13:06
You know the more I think about it the more it ticks me off. Someone can come on here and say that myself, along with others here are like victims of incest. That is a blatant attack and a major slap in the face....but when I say the same thing back I get censored....THE INTERNET....AN AMAZING PLACE!
Why is their horendous statement allowed????
Guest 13-Dec-2005 13:01
That's funny. I posted a comment a couple of days ago and now it has been deleted.
Apparently censorship has found it's way to this site.
John 10-Dec-2005 00:05
I imagine that the Bakkers followers are a lot like victims of sex abuse by their parents. They will always think about what they did wrong and what they should of done to stop the abuse.
Guest 07-Dec-2005 23:18
"that see organized religion in general and born again fundy Christianity in particular for the rediculous rippoff that they are." Truly fact based, intellgent argment. You win.
Happy Atheist 07-Dec-2005 21:42
Sorry "Guest", but "John" and I are not the same person. Thera are at least two people on this site that see organized religion in general and born again fundy Christianity in particular for the rediculous rippoff that they are. Why don't you give me an intelligent, fact based argument for your point of view and beliefe and then I might even take you seriously!
Guest 07-Dec-2005 20:21
Your right Guest. Sounds like the same person and the same information under a diferent name.
Happy Atheist 07-Dec-2005 18:30
Good post, John. The message of Christianity has always been completely ambiguous and easily manipulated. Like any other religion it says what people, particularly its leaders, want it to say. Religion is still around because it can serve to manipulate and control. The same scwabbling and bickering over minute doctrinal detaiils continues and only serves to turn more people off. Yes, "the fundy/charismatic bunch" is indeed "out of reality" but the leadership is most certainly not. They know exactly how to motivate, manipulate, control, and use people. With a philosophy like Christianity you don't need to take personal responsibility, nor social, political, economic or any other responsibility for that matter. Jim Bakker and the PTL debacle is only one example of the incredible hypocrisy, decadence, greed, lies, and deceit that organized religion has wrought on the world.
Guest 06-Dec-2005 16:17
same dude....same story....different name....
John 05-Dec-2005 02:34
Its nice to see that Jim Bakkers followers still believe in him. Of course, all the bad things that happened to him are the devils fault and Jim was a victim. I wish I could use that excuse in everyday life. "Oh, I slept with both of your sisters cos the devil made me do it." or, "the devil somehow put your money into my wallet, he is so evil." The fundy/charismatic bunch are so out of touch with reality, it is almost sad. They forget that they have to take responsibility for themselves. They cannot be trusted.
Guest 01-Dec-2005 23:52
It's being re-constructed at BG's new headquarters in Charlotte. It's located on Billy Graham Parkway, across from the old coliseum.
scott 01-Dec-2005 17:40
does anyone know what happened to Billy Graham's child hood home? I notice in a DVD i brought on E-bay that it was no there.
Happy Atheist 30-Nov-2005 05:02
Stating exactly what your position at Heritage USA was would indeed give credence to your arguments. Have you ever worked in the construction industry? I am not an unreasonable person and I'm certainly willing to listen to you if you have worthwhile, verifyable, unbaised facts to share. However, just as you condemn me for using facts you label as hearsay, other than an obviously biased "current organization and contractor" you have given me no facts. Again, did you bother to read "Forgiven"? OK, sure there were people that got something out of Heritage USA, it wouldn't have attracted people to go if there was no incentive. People get something out of Disneyland or else they wouldn't go there. Yes, I do have major issues with Christianity and I'll be the first to admit it. But that's not what we are discussing here. We are discussing the alleged slipshod construction quality for which Roe Messner made massive profits on that were paid for by the innocent and trusting donors who thought they were giving to a charitable, non profit organization. You misconstrue my comment concerning the "underlings" at PTL. I have no problem with the guys who were trying to make an honest buck by pounding nails. I do have a problem with the contractors, suppliers, and financial people that overbilled, accepted kickbacks, and basically ripped off PTL and the people who lived lavish, hypocrital, and decadent lives while crying they were broke. The fact that some people claim a benefit from a fraudulent, deceitful, and hypocritical venture does not lesson the damage that was done. I would think you would be outraged that your faith and believes were dragged through the mud and made a laughing stock! I respect your right to have an opinion, but I would respect you more if you dealt with strictly facts.
Guest 30-Nov-2005 03:20
Here is the problem I have...you are taking Charlie Sheppard’s book and using it as a spring board to blast all of HUSA when 95% of what was done at HUSA was good but then good is relative because you do not believe in God. So we will never agree on anything except that there was wrongdoings that happened.
I would give my work history at HUSA but you would just turn that around like you have everything else. No matter what my "credentials" were you would simply discount it. Whether I was a house keeper, tram driver or an executive. In addition, I do not speak for anyone except myself on these current issues.
"My comments are not a condemnation of those underlings who worked for PTL or under Roe Messner"...why of course they are. Man, go back and read your post.
That was the whole reason I posted.
"claiming I have "issues"...come on...look at your posts it is obvious that you have issues with Christianity. So you don't have issues with Christianity???
I am very confused but then you knew that.
You blasted the entire church world and used all of HUSA for the justification.
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
It is OK for you to accuse, slam, call names and throw out unbelievable insults but when I state facts you are appalled that I speak out.....the Internet..an amazing place.
"you seem like you're still angry that Sheppard and the Observer actually had the audacity to investigate alleged wrongdoing at PTL."
I have never said this in fact I am very grateful that the wrongdoings were exposed but I personally know of the many, many, thousands of people whose lives were changed for the good because of this ministry and that NEVER comes out in the mass media and well..yes...that does tick me off a little.

I think I have pretty much covered this area now and going further would water down the real reason I posted.
Thanks for giving me a reason to set the record straight for those that muse by this board.
out...
Happy Atheist 30-Nov-2005 00:13
First of all, you have answered none of my questions and you have given me no more unbiased "facts" then you claim secular sources have, so until you give me some better "facts" your credibility is no greater than those you condemn. You have repeatedly thrown personal insults at me, claiming I have "issues" for instance. Again, the "facts" you claim to have given me are second hand and just as much "hearsay" as you claim the information of those you condemn. Until you can give me some verifiable, unbiased information or you state your credentials ("I was a contractor who supervised the work or worked with government officials" for instance) you are just "living in a closeminded fantasy of Jesoid rediculousness". My comments are not a condemnation of those underlings who worked for PTL or under Roe Messner. Charles E. Sheppard did do his homework and would not have published anything false because his newspaper and/or he himself would have been in legal hot water had he did so. He was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for his work, by the way. Again, you seem like you're still angry that Sheppard and the Observer actually had the audacity to investigate alleged wrongdoing at PTL. Maybe we should all sing "Kumbaya" and pretend that Jimmy, Roe, and all those at PTL were the victims! If you want to go on living in fantasies that's your business, pal.
Guest 29-Nov-2005 18:35
Wait a minute...it is ok for you to make judgements on me but I can't on you. Oh ok..I see.
Number one...I never called you name(s). I simply have stated "facts" about what I know first hand. You have NO first hand knowledge. Only what you have been told or read.
Please don't take this personal. I just want people that come through here to know the truth not heresay from someone who just has a problem with Christianity.
When someone really confronts you with the "facts" (not "faith" as you mentioned earlier) you resort to "lives in a closeminded fantasy of Jesoid rediculousness".
Oh come on man..that's just lame. Take your crap somewhere else where those that don't know the truth are and then they can debate you on a level playing field of heresay.
These are facts!
out...
Happy Atheist 29-Nov-2005 16:36
You were there, huh? What was your capacity? What position did you hold that gives you any more credibility than an unbaised, secular newspaper? It's obvious given your stated religious views that you are just as biased, if not more so, than the people you condemn. Oh, you have your "experts" but given that they are part of the organization that is rebuilding the PTL property they have no more credibility than, again, the people you are codemning. You have no business making personel comments, making judgements, or calling me names, pal, I guess it's just another example of "good christian love". Your hypocrisy will do nothing but turn people off to your beliefs. Given Roe Messner's very active and well documented role in the PTL cover up and scam and his record of legal problems I wouldn't trust him, his work, or anything he says. No, I wasn't there and have never visited what's left of Heritage USA. However, given, as you yourself admit, the massive fraud deceit, lies, and hypocrisy associated with PTL the credibility certainly weighs in on the side of newspaper. I suppose you'd rather have never have discovered any wrongdoing on Bakker's part and just continued on in ignorant bliss! Typical reaction from somebody who doesn't want to face reality but instead lives in a closeminded fantasy of Jesoid rediculousness! BTW, have you ever bothered to read "Forgiven"? Did Roe Messner or any of the other contractors sue the Observer for any claim they made?
Guest 29-Nov-2005 14:34
Alex, Yes you make a great observation...."It's just odd to see that building with such modern architecture in such a state of dilapidation." It was way a head of it's time as far as design, most of HUSA was. First class.
As you know, the building construction was stopped dead in it's tracks once everything happened. You have seen buildings around your town were the construction people ran out of money and the shell of the building is just sitting. I live in South Florida and have seen my share of hurricane's in the last 2 years and there are a lot of buildings (big hotels just like the Grand and the Towers) and just in 2 years of sitting these buildings look worse than the HUSA properties.
Also remember what eventually shut the property down was Hugo...the hurricane. Remember the damage in Charlotte.
You are also correct that there was a lot of work being done is some places and not so much in others. Yes money or lack there of was an issue but the larger issue was the fact that entry level employees(like construction workers) were hard to find. Here we were building a huge resort in the (back then) middle of no where. The Grand is still the largest Hotel in S.C. We had to literally bus in housekeepers from 30 to 40 miles away to staff the Grand.
There are a lot of varaibles for the way the Towers look today but bad construction is NOT one of them.
Hope this answers your question.
Guest 29-Nov-2005 14:14
While you are right..there was massive fraud, deceit, lies, and hypocrisy committed by Jim Bakker and others at PTL...time was served....forgiveness has been given...and now restoration is happening...yahooooooo!!!!
The other crap you spew are lies. Your "well documented" bs comes from the Charlotte Disturber. You see, all you know is what the mass media told you. Like a little child...just following along...
I just watched a DVD from HIM, the current organization there and the General Contractor praised the building of the infrastructure of HUSA. He thought once he got to go into the buildings and access the situation, they would have to come down after 17 years of sitting without electrical and maintenance. Once he got in there, he realized because of the superior construction, they are going to be able to use ALL the buildings. The Towers are a good example of the lies you people spew. They were told by the community that the building was condemned...well guess what...they checked with York County and it was never condemned (just rumors) and with some minor outside, esthetic work, they will continue construction and the building can and will be finished.
Yes we had leaks...I was at our 5 million dollar mall yesterday and there was a bucket in the middle of the food court catching water. Roe didn't build the mall. The engineering was fabulous and anyone that was there saw that. You are so ill informed it is actually funny.
Give me a break.
You will always continue these lies and bs because it makes you feel better about yourself. But I had to let people know that come through this site that you are telling lies perpetuated by the press. I know I was there. You were not.
The water park NEVER had to be torn down after it was started. I was there, literally, everyday during construction and this NEVER happened. I don't care who says so. Just like any major construction project, there were set backs. The waterpark is now being torn down after sitting for 15 or so years. Ever tried to start a car after it sat for 15 years? They are going to put in a small shopping/restaurant area there now.
I am not defending Jim Bakker here...just defending the property and all the great people that worked, visited and lived there.
We have the internet now and people who are interested can know the REAL truth...not just what the mass, liberal, media wants you to believe.
HUSA, now HIM is a GREAT place and guess what HA...it is being restored by Christians who are giving their money to help...imagine that...bunch of idiots who believe the Bible. How old fashioned...
Out....
Happy Atheist 28-Nov-2005 21:22
Good observation, Alex. It is well documented that the majority of the construction quality of PTL was, to put it most "charitably", was substandard and slipshod. It is a true "miracle" that there was not only no major collapses or accidents related to construction defects during PTL's or the subsequent owner's tenures but that anything is left standing at all. Roe Messner, PTL's major contractor, whom Tammy Faye dumped Jimmy Bakker for, not only grossly overcharged PTL for the sloppy work but refused to continue when Jimmy was short of funds. Much of the work was rushed and poorly engineered. There were constantly complaints of seriously leaking ceilings during rains among other things and the water park had to be built, completely torn down, and then completely rebuilt because of poor engineering and numerous safety violations. What is obvious is that most of the money PTL collected went to fund the Bakkers and their retinue's lavish lifestyle, according to Charles E. Sheppard's excellent book "Fogiven" the existing buildings at PTL could have been paid for nearly twice over with the money that PTL collected. The massive fraud, deceit, lies, and hypocristy committed by Jim Bakker, Roe Messner, and all the rest of those connected with PTL are truely mind numbing!
Alex 23-Nov-2005 04:14
Good photos. The hotel tower is what intrigues me the most. It's just odd to see that building with such modern architecture in such a state of dilapidation. It's also odd how the building appears to just be slapped together in some places, worked hard on in other places and then there's spots like that one center hotel room visible on the outside that's not even done at all. Looks like the budget was running out as the thing was being built and I wonder if the hotel would have got much further than it is now even if Bakker didn't get arrested and the PTL ministries never shut down.
Guest 21-Nov-2005 21:54
First one must seperate JB from your issues. He screwed up. So have you.
OK OK OK...you win. There is no God.
Have a nice life.
Over and out...
Happy Atheist 21-Nov-2005 05:32
Gee, that's a new one. I thought I'd heard just about every emotionally manipulative, heart-tuggingly pathetic way to guilt me into selling my soul back to fundy Christianity. You'll have to do better than that, pal. If you can come up with some new solid facts that prove that Christianity has any validity I'll listen to you. I've read the McDowell books and many other apoligetic works and sorry, no sale. Like any other religion on earth, it boils down to faith, which is not fact. Besides, no amount of faith in the world can mask the truth of the reality of the money grubbing, self-absorbed charlatans and thiefs like dear Jimmy Bakker that populate the leadership of the Christian church.
Guest 20-Nov-2005 13:10
What if you're right?
And Jesus was just another nice guy...what if you're right?
What if it's true?
They say the cross will only make a fool of you and what if it's true?
What if he takes his place in history
With all the prophets and the kings
Who taught us love and came in peace
But then the story ends
What then?
But what if you're wrong?
What if there's more?
What if there's hope you never dreamed of hoping for?
What if you jump?
And just close your eyes?
What if the arms that catch you, catch you by surprise?
What if He's more than enough?
What if it's love?
What if you dig
Way down deeper than your simple-minded friends
What if you dig?
What if you find
A thousand more unanswered questions down inside
That's all you find?
What if you pick apart the logic
And begin to poke the holes
What if the crown of thorns is no more
Than folklore that must be told and retold?
You've been running as fast as you can
You've been looking for a place you can land for so long
But what if you're wrong............
Happy Atheist 19-Nov-2005 16:40
It would be quite interesting to count the number of times this question has been asked over the course of the history of religion on this planet. This history of organized religion underscores and blatantly demostrates the fact that power grabs, greed, division, influence, war, violence, and bloodshed are all of much, much greater importance than any acts of charity. The naivete and ignorance, or just a deliberate effort to avoid the bare facts, of the vast majority of Christians, especially of the born again/charisimatic/fundamentalist variety never ceases to amaze me. Jimmy Bakker and the PTL debacle is only one out of an infinite number of blatant demonstrations of this sad fact. After all the greed, lies, and deceit there are still idiots out there that believe in this little thief and believe Jimmy when he says that it's "not my fault".
Kappasigmapi19-Nov-2005 06:32
Paula: Unfortunately, most of the property that is vacant is uninhabitable. A timeshare campground occupies most of the available accomodations; the new Heritage International Ministries/Morningstar Fellowship Church the remainder. According to their website, offering their facilities to evacuees was something they were pursuing, however there is no indication if anything came of it.
However, your comment brings up a salient point. Imagine if as Christians we took all the energy and dollars we spend influencing the legislation of morality, engaging in divisive politics and boycotting whichever company that has acknowledged a group or demographic we disagree with, and refocused that capital into helping the poor, reaching out to "the least of us" and doing what Jesus asked of us, what we could accomplish.
Paula English 18-Nov-2005 10:00
I have just one question. If we as Christians are supposed to help one another then why do the people in Lousiana not have homes and PTL is sitting empty? Wouldnt GOD want us to house our fellow Christians?
Guest 17-Nov-2005 07:07
This is for Jim Bakers devoted followers who still love him. "Jim Baker is not the savior. He will not help you with your problems. If you still miss him, I recommend getting professional help." Can anyone of you look at these pictures and say to yourself, "This is what Jesus would do if he were here today?"
alyx devereux 16-Nov-2005 16:28
Wow Great Archives Of The Abonded Site, Well just in case the rest off heritage USA Ruins Rot into nothingness, well there's another place thats simular, to it but not quite, it was a amusment partk in roanoke VA Called Lakeside Amusment Park
Guest 16-Nov-2005 02:01
wow ....breath-taking open mindedness there.....
Guest 15-Nov-2005 15:49
also...it looks like ole Knight Ridder...his bosses...are being brought down too.
aaaaahhhh....the ebbs and flows of life.......
Guest 15-Nov-2005 15:46
PTL certainly put Charlie on the map.
Guest 15-Nov-2005 06:05
A much better, more realistic and unbaised book than Jimmy Bakker's self-serving and self-pitying sobfest is "Forgiven" by Charles E. Shepard. Shepard was one of the reporters for the Charlotte Observer that helped bring down PTL and expose the greed, hypocrisy, and lies and also showed Jimmy Bakker as the narcissitic, greedy, selfish little twit that he is. Bakker is actually a borderline sociopath that found born again Christianity the easiest way to serve his patholical, desperate need for attention. Yes, indeed Heritage was a huge, obscene waste of money and the saddest fact is that most of it came from those under Jimmy's spell that could least afford it. Reading Shepard's book is a sobering, sickening view into the weird, warped, completely hypocritical world of born again, fundamentalist Christianity. After the Bakker and that other scumbag Swaggart's scandals went down I knew that for everyone of these parasites that falls another takes his/her place, just like poisonous mushrooms! As a former born again Christian the Bakker scandal was just one factor in my utter disillusion with and complete "washing my hands of" organized religion in general and born again Jesoid nonsense in particular!
Jagdev S. 14-Nov-2005 03:16
Everyone who loves or hates Jim Bakker and PTL and all to do with this saga should buy and read "I was Wrong" by Jim Bakker - you can get it for US$1 to US$4 on the net. It is a fascinating book detailing everything that happened , what went wrong etc. Read it before you judge Jim Bakker. It's a great book, he admits he was wrong in promulgating a "prosperity gospel" and for having sex with Hahn and trying to cover it up,but maintains he was innocent of the actual charges that he was convicted of, and from what I read, it seems true. Just read it, see through the malarkey from the press and media for once, try to be a little less judgemental and a little bit more open minded. Word to the wise...
Happy Heathen 11-Nov-2005 06:48
Delighted to see how run-down and deserted this one-time Christian enclave has become. Religious con artists ultimately get their comeuppance, and Bakker sure got his. What is sad, though, is the colossal waste of money this whole venture was from the start. If fundies really cared about the well-being of people, imagine what the millions of dollars is took to build this kitschy paradise would have meant to, say, medical research into childhood diabetes or something. But no, the great con game of religion keeps chugging along, fooling the gullible and enriching the sleazy. Be nice to see nature reclaim this land in its entirety, and completely erase the folly of Jim Bakker's existence from history.
Sue 09-Nov-2005 19:52
I went to Heritage USAtwice over the last couple of years and was amazed at the way things are there now. I hope some day that the area can be restored to it's original purposes. While there we attended a play by Naroway(?) Productions for Christmas and would like to take my parents and family again but do not know how to find out more info. on this. Could anyone out there help?
Guest 08-Nov-2005 01:06
Mesage to unidentified "Guest" - thanks very much for the images you posted recently from Heritage Village - that was very much appreciated. SJC
scott 02-Nov-2005 22:03
can u tell me who brought the Barn and is redoing it, somewhere on here i saw pics of it being redone.
Guest 30-Oct-2005 23:09
Hello Again,

I posted the last comment. I took some pictures of the property today (Oct.30 2005). If you'd like to see them go to:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/jeffschaap/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1p9oynVCygMwc_XkNJTMev3g!160&_c=PhotoAlbum&_c02_owner=1
Guest 29-Oct-2005 22:57
Hello All,

Believe it or not as I write this I am on the property of Hertiage USA. I found myself here quite by accident. I am working on a film in the Charlotte area and am staying with someone from the production company who happens to be living in one of the former time share apartments in the Lakeside Lodge area. .

Before I came down I had no idea this was where I would be staying. It's quite an ironic experience for me as I have been here before when I was about 13 or 14. My parents bought a "lifetime" membership here and we vacationed here one time before the place was shut down due to the scandal.

It's strange to me to see how run down the property is althought I they are renovating certain areas. As others have written there is a church that utilizes the Grand Hotel; Morning Star Church. Also, there is a ministry called "The Cause" that has it's offices here as well. Their main purpose, as I understand it, is combating legalized abortion.

The water park is demolished as others have stated. I have been here since last Monday and earth moving equipment has slowly been removing the mountain of dirt where the waterpark was. I heard from some people that attend the church that they are working to restore the "mainstreet" area. The first night I was here blue lights illuminated the glass domes in that complex. The person I am staying with said that is the first time he has seen them on since he has been here (which has been several months). The high-rise hotel, which I believe was never finished, towers above the rest of the property. Parts of the brick have fallen off and is it generally in disarray.

I drove around the property this morning. The TV studio where they filmed the PTL show is still standing and I drove by it today. They are building an addition on the back but I have no idea what it is for. The ampitheatre pictured below is also still standing. It's been relabled "The King's Arena" and underneath that it says something like "The Christian Broadway" I can only guess that they are still having some type of theatrical productions there. The "Upper Room" building is still here but there isn't any access to it in terms of roads or sidewalks. I can only guess that it is not in use. The train tracks that used to encirle the main area have been ripped up and no tresspassing signs are posted at the former train stops. What I believe used to be the administrative offices on the north end of the property are partially being utilized I believe, by other ministries.

What's very strange is that when you come in to the property from route 21 there are palatial homes being built everywhere and a posh golf course. What the attraction is from a real estate perspective in this area I can't begin to concieve. Perhaps the fact that it is close to downtown Charlotte?

All in all I have a very strange feeling being here. Part of me is very sad that the place has come to ruin but I share the sentiment with others who have commented that generically, the whole venture was a collossal waste of effort and monies that could have been put to better use for the furtherance of the gospel. To me, it's was like an attempt at a Christian Disneyland that fell short of even that mark.

While I am sure that God used the property and Jim Baker's "ministry" to accomplish some good things (he can use even bad intentions for His purposes) I think this place stands as a commentary to what happens when ministries begin to lose focus. They can forget that our purpose here on earth is to share the saving knowlede of Jesus Christ with a lost world. Our aim should be bring people eternal joy and happiness, not the temporal kind that cartoons and tea cup rides bring.

I do have some current pictures and I will try and post them.
Scott 27-Oct-2005 00:25
Anyone have current pictures since the demolition of the water park and the rebuilding?

thanks
James 24-Oct-2005 03:06
I am starting a TV ministry and would like to know if there is anyone that would be willing to help me in doing the Lords work... From being on the show as a guess to also help to raise funds to do such a ministry as God Leads.... I will not box God, He has told me to make it similar to PTL. So as he leads and send the people to help me, I plan to do HIS work... He has started this work about 1 year ago and He will complete it... It is just me getting in touch with the people that He wants me to meet. God bless... Please Email me at djjim5141@NetZero.Net anytime:) Thanks for doing your part to reach out to a world that needs Jesus! God Bless you as you listen to His Voice.
James 24-Oct-2005 03:01
I am starting a TV ministry and would like to know if there is anyone that would be willing to help me in doing the Lords work... From being on the show as a guess to also help to raise funds to do such a ministry as God Leads.... I will not box God, He has told me to make it similar to PTL. So as he leads and send the proplr to help me, I plan to do HIS work... He has started thios work about 1 year ago and He will complete it... It is just me getting in touch with the people that He wants me to meet. God bless... Please Email me at anytime:) Thanks for doing your part to reach out to a world that needs Jesus! God Bless you as you listen to His Voice.
Guest 22-Oct-2005 00:21
Yes
Guest 21-Oct-2005 15:22
Has this property really been purchased?
scirillo 21-Oct-2005 00:55
please let me know if video's or CD's are available of the PTL bnroacasts, or other events of that era. Thanks - scirillo@aol.com
just me, AKA Abdul 20-Oct-2005 21:49
I love getting people riled up about nothing. Yes, I'm a dork. Get a grip.
Kappasigmapi17-Oct-2005 23:02
Er...I suspect Abdul is not really with Saudi International Oil, and if he was anyone of importance or influence, do you honestly think he'd be leaving a comment on some random American's photo album or leaving a telephone number in his official capacity? He's just a troll trying to get people riled up...and judging by the comments in response, he has succeeded! Don't feed the trolls!
-The Management
Guest 12-Oct-2005 16:26
Dear Abdul:
No amount of money that you have could buy a thing in America- we have beliefs here that your money doesn't amount to.. Go back to where you belong or stay there- we don't need nor do we want you here..
john 11-Oct-2005 22:37
If this heritage international ministries restore ptl, will christans be allowed to visit or have to join this club ministries...if i have to join this ministries...I got a feeling that only rich ministries and business men will only be allowed here, if so its ptl all over again, why dont we just call jim bakker up and let him come back....
bret 11-Oct-2005 22:13
TO abdul masri, or whatever, take your riches and muslim money and go else where for we the christan americans will never give up our land for your satan... and why dont you help your muslim people over seas that got hit by that earth quake, for these signs are happening before lord jesus christ comes back...for the bible tells us so...
Guest 11-Oct-2005 21:29
GOOD NEWS, A CHRISTIAN MINISTRY HAS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN
DECEMBER OF 2004 TO RENOVATE IT BACK TO ITS SPLENDER AND USE
IT FOR ITS MINISTRY. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT :)
Guest 11-Oct-2005 21:14
TO THE COMMENT ABOUT INFIDELS, YOU NEED TO GO BACK YOU YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND STAY OUT OF AMERICA. WHEN JESUS COMES BACK
YOU WILL WISH YOU WERE A INFIDEL...
Abdul Masri 11-Oct-2005 01:57
Greetings infidels. I am with Saudi International Oil, and have just heard of this PTL club. Very intriguing concept. If anyone have information about this property, I would like to buy it. No price is too much. I could turn the place into my American officees and resort for my Saudi friends. My number is 250 287 3434.
Thanks be to Allah.
Guest 09-Oct-2005 03:13
the water park has been demolished.
Guest 09-Oct-2005 03:13
the water park has been demolished.
Lorne Vanderwoude 03-Oct-2005 11:49
One of my favorite places to look at was Billy Graham's childhood home. That must be a great sight. I will try not to misspell my words like I did in my pevious entry. It is too bad that this place will NEVER be what it was in the 1980's. Too bad a buyer can not buy this place and make it into what it was in the 1980's. It would be so cool to have this place back again. Too bad some millioniare could not buy it and fix the place back up to what it looked like in the 1980's.
Lorne Vanderwoude 03-Oct-2005 11:43
As I looked at the pictures of Herritage U.S.A, I feel sad because this place could have been a great place to help spread the gospel. Because of cover ups, lack of paying Taxes to the government, this great place has ended in a bad ending. Too bad taht there was Not a buyer who could buy this place and make it into what it was in the 1980's. It is too bad that this place had such a bad ending.
Karl 25-Sep-2005 23:36
Having just looked at a color map of Heritage USA that I got in 1986 my guess is that the round building is the one you enter after you cross the bridge on your way to the water park.
Guest 24-Sep-2005 16:37
That round building behind the castle and hotel is on fire right now. Burned to the ground.
Guest 24-Sep-2005 06:04
right on! it's soo awesome to see this fundie nightmare collossus decaying as it rightfully should...grow a brain you theistic morons!
Jesse 22-Sep-2005 13:07
As far as being gay goes, come on people, stop twisting Gods word for your own convienience. "men with men working that which is unseemly". this is not passing judgement, however we must love everyone. Jesus told the prostitute to go her way and "SIN" no more. You should have sex with your spouse only. We are also instructed to obey the laws of the land. Same sex marrige is still not legalized in most of our nation.we all have some things we need to work on. However we must keep the Word of God in perspective. there is a difference in coming short of the glory of God and willful sin. When we wilfully sin there remains no more sacrifice. We cruicify Christ afresh. we should be trying to help and minister to those that are less fortunate then ourselves, not trying to find excuses for our short comings no matter what they are.We were instructed by God to go and replenish the earth. If men were with men and woman with woman how would the human race continue. It is obvious in the word of God that as Paul said we shuld "remain as he was" or if we cannot contain then to marry. "for it is better to marry than to burn". Burn for what? For fornication thats what. Fornication is fornication no matter how you look at it.(man/man woman/woman/)if you are no married to the person you are in a "loving relationship" with.Then you are commiting fornication(as far as the intimacy is concerned)No sin not one shall enter the Kingdom . God is coming for a Church without "spot or wrinkle" or any "such" thing. Just realize that he made the ultimate sacrifice, and we have some sacrificing to do ourselves.
Jesse 22-Sep-2005 12:19
http://illicitohio.com/SBNO/heritage/heritage01.html

This site shows recent pics of heritage, amazing before/after type shots. The place is in ruin.Except for the 1 hotel that a church group uses for service.Baker himself talks in his book about how his vision grew "out of hand". Just think how many homless shelters could have been built with all that money.If God truely was involed in that work there,i say he should move some investors and have them rebuild it and house some of the victims of the hurricaine.Put that place to some true good use. thats how My God works. People have taken the worship of God and turned in into entertainment for themselves.
guest 21-Sep-2005 04:04
It's so sad to see present photos of Hertiage USA...my family spent some wonderful vacations there...and the memories are a blessing......hope to see it reopened...would love to be in a christian atmosphere again with my family now that I am all grown-up god bless!!!!
Guest 20-Sep-2005 05:18
If everything is still there and still furnished, then someone needs to open the place up for all of the reugees from Katrina, I'm sure that they would love to help with the cleanup and restoration of the facilities in exchange for a place to live.
Guest 18-Sep-2005 01:39
Why care - it was a fool's dream using god as a rag. There was nothing right about the place, PTL or any of the other tv religious snow jobs. The Divene cares about people, and this place cared about money. All of it should destoryed and the land allowed to grow wild.
guest 17-Sep-2005 19:03
I Hve just recently learned that Morning Star Ministries has bought the Old Heritage USA, and are currently have church in the "Grand Hotel Lobby". Go to a search site and search "HERITAGE INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES" you will be able to read how they are restoring the place.
Jan 16-Sep-2005 00:29
Heritage USA is still alive and running in a much smaller manner, than the glory of the 80's. I have been back to Heritage USA almost every year since it has closed, I stayed there 2 years ago while attending the "WOMAN THOU ART LOOSED" conference with T. D. Jakes. They still have cabins opened and the Lakeside lodges still have rooms opened. I will say it is heart breaking to see the Barn , and the Upper Room, Kevins House, and the Grand Hotel all in ruins. I walked all over the grounds and could not believe the lost to the christian world. This place was glorious in the 80's and early 90's. I remember the days when traffic would back up all the way to 77 trying to get into PTL.
I was there for the dedication of the Barn, when they closed the doors at 4:00 and had the speakers flown in in helicopers because it was already full and people were waiting. This place was wonderful!!!
I still love it and I still go back as often as possible. I have plans to rent 2 cabins in Oct. for a youth group.
Guest 15-Sep-2005 00:57
Can anyone tell me where the lake went?
Guest 08-Sep-2005 02:55
What God wants, God gets, God help us all.
Randy 31-Aug-2005 09:24
How were you able to get the recent up close pictures? Me and a few friends used to go there after it was reopened. I know they shut it down with everything still in it and all Hotels stayed fully furnished with electricity. Some times at night you could see lights in the towers come on and go off. Last time I tried to get close to any thing a little over a year ago we were stopped by security guards and almost got arrested.
Looking to volenteer... 24-Aug-2005 03:07
I have been searching for blueprints or any usefull information that could help in the effort to restore PTL. If anyone knows where to find this info please e-mail it to me. Thanks for the assistance....
Guest 23-Aug-2005 06:15
i forgot to put my email address in the last post.david-white@cox.net
David 23-Aug-2005 06:13
I just wanted to say a word or two. I was at heritage back in 78,79,80,and 81. I still remember spending all of my time at recreation village swimming and in the arcade. I went to school at heritage academy long before the leraning center was around. We went to school at tram stops on the porch of the wagon wheel inn and in chalets and pretty much where ever we could find room. I would love to catch up with anyone that remembers these times as i do. email me .
Darin 22-Aug-2005 14:05
I have a question "Was Heritage USA" a Christian Time-Share? I'm a bit confused and would like to understand the finance structure that created the unfortunate fallout. Thank you..
Guest 22-Aug-2005 01:41
I am looking at these pics for the fist time since leaving PTL in 1983. My is broken, because I spent so much time there growing up. I had my first job there. I and my sister learn to swimm at the pool at Hearitage Village during Christmas vacation in 1977. I believe that this place can rise again. Not as PTL, but for God intened it to be, bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. It is possible. This is God property that's why man can't make it go for anything else. Thank you for posting these pics. I was there when it was started and it really brought back some memories.
RyanIL 19-Aug-2005 04:51
I just finished reading a book that was writing by Jim and Tammi Faye's son Jay (or Jamie Charles as PTL viewers would know him.) The name of the book is "Son of a Preacher Man." The book discussed alot of the different issues that the family went through from the perspective of a child and young adult. Anyway, Jay talks alot about Heritage USA in the book and, up until this point, I did not know that anything like this ever existed. I am overjoyed that I was able to find some pics and stories that helped me vision the wonderful blessing that so few were able to enjoy. I truly believe that Heritage USA was a work of the Lord and I would love to become a part of a simular work. MAY WE CONTINUE EVERYDAY TO SHARE GOD'S WONDERFUL GRACE WITH THE WORLD.
Karl 31-Jul-2005 18:13
Hello to you all. I am responding to the post made by Ronald. Ronald many of us worked very hard to reclaim Heritage USA back in 1987, 1988, and 1989. Many partners worked hard to get the truth out. The media bent the story of what happened causing many untruths to go forth. I can say this because I work in the media and I know their motives and methods.

Like many of you I wanted to take an extra step. I visited Mr. Bakker in prison 3 times and testified on his behalf in federal court. So I say to Ronald many people have done much. I have seen it with my own eyes. Their is certainly more to do and maybe the time has arrived.

I am 56 years old now and if I have learned anything it is this: Trust God's Timing
I know almost all of you are deeply distressed by what you see in these pictures. I am and I am not. I don't see any damage that is serious enough that restoration can't be achieved. Hurricane and Tornado damage is far worse I can assure you.

But today remember this. Throughout time even during Biblical history it appears a certain sequence has repeated itself.

Current Events -- Sin -- Judgement -- and finally RESTORATION !!

All of this is on a timeline. Think about it. I just watched a short video and was floored. I hope you will too. I think it will lift you up as it has lifted me up. We may be seeing the beginning flicker of the brightness that is ahead.

http://him.morningstarministries.org./video.htm

Thanks for reading this message.

Your friend, Karl


guest 29-Jul-2005 16:17
thanks for the pictures some are good and some are bad. but they bring back great memories for me,i went to school there and enjoyed all the years i was there.i have so much to remember from my child hood there.its good to know someone is bringing it back to life. god bless
Barry Bullman 29-Jul-2005 15:19
Wow! How sad. Looking at these pics brings so many memories back to us. My wife and I took our children to Herritage USA twice a year as life time partners in the 80's. We were Lifetime Partners X2!! It was such a safe place to take a young family. Everyone who visited there was part of the family of God. We have pics of our times there and remember them fondly. We see Jim and Tammy on the TV today and try to remember them hopefully as our Heavenly Father knows them. Simply as His children who (as we) who have fallen short of the glory of God. We urge you to pray for them as they come to your rememberance. We have no unforgivness for them. We consider them like family. We watched them daily so they became part of us. May God Bless them and their families.
callingonSavior 27-Jul-2005 23:19
Has anyone heard of NarroWay Productions? They hold Christian theatrical plays that are like nothing I have ever seen! Anno Domini is showing this weekend, nobody should miss it! Check out the website....www.Narroway.net
Brad Bacon 27-Jul-2005 17:28
You can see what is happening at ...http://him.morningstarministries.org.
Morningstar Ministries purchased 52 acres back in Sept. and is restoring the Grand, Mainstreet, and the conference rooms.
Brad Bacon
Former General Manager,
Heritage Grand Hotel
Guest 26-Jul-2005 20:02
I have to say, I was only a child when Heritage was open. My brother was Jim Bakker's son's good friend. And I was still only a child when the place closed its doors, so I remember this place very fondly. I just wanted to tell everyone on here, Heritage is being rebuilt. It is in the early stages of rebirth. I was on the fire team that has begun to burn down old Condos inside the area. And I know that there are a few companies that are looking at the Main Street area for a new shopping center and other venues. Theres the update from Fort Mill.
Richard / Allentown, PA 24-Jul-2005 04:07
My wife & I visited in the early 1980s -- we stayed in the Heritage Inn, and I remember visiting Main Street USA and The Upper Room. Sad to see the place decaying because it was a good concept. Unfortunately, financial accountability of the ministry was lacking, and the promise of accommodations to donors ran afoul of South Carolina law, if I recall correctly.
Guest 24-Jul-2005 02:42
I could cry looking at these pictures. I was not a christian when The Bakkers were on PTL and I watched it daily and prayed for guidance in my life. I really think there were alot of jealous people and their hearts were set to destroy PTL along with Jim and Tammy. I know what Jim done was not right but he is human and we all sin. I still love the Bakkers and thank God that they were on. I am a christian today and they had a part in it. I wish this place could be restored and we could all visit and stay there like it was planned from the beginning. I would love to stay there. From these pictures it is absolutely magnificant. I hope someday it comes back alive for all to enjoy. Thank you for this wonderful site. Chris
Barb 22-Jul-2005 15:34
My heart aches as I view the pictures of our beautiful ministry! We wanted this to be a great part of our lives and it was destroyed by a fraudulent takeover in 1987. Only God knows the millions of souls who could have been reached through PTL. When the takeover took place, thousands of partners rallied to help Jim and Tammy and their precious family return to PTL. We can take comfort in knowing that God is all-knowing and He saw it all and He alone knows the hearts of all involved.
Danny 21-Jul-2005 14:03
Anyone have any updates on restoration of the property? This place still has a place in bringing souls to Christ
Bryan 25-Jun-2005 07:36
Hello everyone out there,It's been a lot of years gone by now since the day's, of the ptl hayday in all it's glory, for (praising the lord) It is such a shame the way things turned out,for ptl, and Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker, But those who are responsable for the destruction and Demise of such a wonderful place, to come and worship the lord Jesus christ, and I qoute, (Tammy Faye) they had better make It right with (GOD), It's not up to us weather or not they go to heaven or hell, but they had better make it right, and they all know who they are,Don't have to mention any one's name,And also for those of you, dear people out there who would like to wright to (Tammy Faye Messner) can do so, here's Her address--- P.O. Box 1281--Mattews,NC.28105

I'm sure she would love to here from all of you who still love her & pray for since her battle with lung cancer,and this is from me, as well, Tammy Faye, May God Bless You & Roe Messner, for all you two have done now and always, all my love, Tammy Faye, Your Friend Bryan....
Patti 25-Jun-2005 00:29
Having been employed by PTL for 2 years in the 80's this certainly brings back wonderful memories! How I remembber the nights I could not sleep and went to the upper room! What a shame for it to be run down. I pray God will touch someones heart to restore Heritage to its intended use that of a place where foldk can worship and bless the Lord! People are human and make mistakes it is true, but God is soverign and it mus hurt him so to see His people bickering over things like this! I too was hurt by PTL in many ways as an employee, but forgiveness is the key to freedom in our lives. I only wish there was a way I could help rebuild what was torn down! This s not only a flesh and blood battle but one of principalities of darkness! I woked on the 800 number and on the prayer line between 83 and 85 and saw many lives transformed. Healings, miracles, marriages restored, lives saved! I also sang for satelite seminars and onsight seminars a lot during these years. So, I ask was it all in vein? NO, the Word say" Whatsoever you do to the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me." It also say that The Word of the Lord will not return void! Let's focus on building oneanother up and not tearing eachother down anymore! Afterall, Are we serving God or man?

I would love to hear from any former employees there and anyone who might know the whereabouts of any of the Upper Room Pastor's who were there in 83-85. I am specifically looking for Pastor Bob McCraven who was so unjudgemental and loving and was always so giving to PTL and its partners. He was an example I believe of how God wanted us all to be! This was what PTL was designed for in the beginning! I paray we can all put the past behind and press on toward the Mark of the High Calling He has for each of our lives, regardless of past hurts! Grace and Peace to everyone!
GWYNN WOOD 22-Jun-2005 02:32
MY NAME IS GWYNN. I USED TO WORK AT HERITAGE USA, IN RESERVATIONS. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT READS THIS.
J 16-Jun-2005 14:28
Wow, the pictures brought back a lot of memories. It was a nice place to take the family for a day of fun. It was always so clean. Such a sad ending. Never had so much fun, first by myself when I was young, and years later as a parent. What a great place it was to take the family. Lots of friendships developed there, and alot of people found they had a place in this world, and the ability to reach out and help others. Too bad there isn't a park like that anywhere else in the world quit like it.
Biffster1 06-May-2005 16:27
Just to let you know. There is a new GOGGLE group entittled Heritage USA and PTL
Mark 01-May-2005 22:46
On the way back from the beach today and decided to drive through Heritage on the way home. It looks like the walk of faith is officially history. The new road has went through at least part of it already. Also, someone is dismantling the water park and another part of the heritage inn has burned.
josh 22-Apr-2005 16:33
Dear sirs, I find your comments regarding homosexuality to be MOST offensive. As a torah schollar and a bisexual, I feel oblidged to clarify a few points. The wording in most english translations is not the true meaning of the hebrew text. The rabbis had no concept of homosexuality as it is incarnated today. What the prohibition refers to is the act of anal intercourse as an act of humilation or punishment. As a survivor of rape by another man, and as an open bisexual, I can tell you there is a definite difference beteen forced anal sex and a loving act between two people. I know you asked that there be no more dicussion or argument over biblical items, but I had to make this point in honor of national gay pride month.
Josh
GREG 11-Apr-2005 05:05

Mr Pryhill.

Who would you or any of the group suggest We go to in order to STOP
the Tastless,Tacky and selfcentered destruction around the UPPER ROOM
whereas I beleive you have pictures Here.
If only each person could go visit the UPPER ROOM and feel the peace
and I beleive being the most sacred structure built Under Mr. Bakker
now haveing Heard a 4 lane Hwy or road slapped up against it as well as
the most troublesome being the removal of a burial place at the side of
the UPPER ROOM of a Lady who was a friend of PTL >? I am appaled at the
tastless and selfcentered actions of whom ever is doing this.I thought
every Christian truly beleived the meaning of REST In PEACE. now if this
is so why would this be happening under anyone involved.
I only hope it is not true and Lord knows that the descruction of THE TOWERS
is appaling enough but this is sacred and to far in any area or restoration
REST-O RATION
BLESSINGS gREG.
Dave 27-Mar-2005 00:29
I just finished watching "The Eyes Of Tammy Faye", a documentary told from the Bakkers perspective, although NOT sugar coated. I think it was a very good balance to all of the things we saw in the media in the late 80's. There are lots of things I didn't know about Jim & Tammy (They helped start the 700 club, Trinity Broadcast Network, etc)
Incidentally, Tammy Faye was probably the first person to address homosexuality on a Christan Network. How about them apples! So it's amusing to see a few comments about how evil it is tied into a site that involved a ministry that wasn't afried to address such things.
Give the documentary a peek. It's a netflix rental well wasted!
Guest 26-Mar-2005 06:55
hey all. morning star (the church that currently holds worships where christ tree was) had an all night worhsip tonight, it was my first time going, and it was really good... beside the point..

my g/f and I were walking around and knew a little about PTL and what went on, but not alot,,, the fact that we just discovered a theme park before our eyes amazed us... we hopped a couple of fencing and went under some ropes, and we were in (it was night midnight)
it was kinda sad looked at ALL this stuff just sitting here decaying.. also the towers, they were SO BIG AND TALL!! and they are not even being used??

we walked around the waterpark and took some pics of OLD main street and the waterpark, walked around the caslte area, (all the windows were smashed, so we did not go inside)... we clicmed to the top of the water slide when we saw someone with a flashlight looking around the spot where we hopped through... he walked away so we went back to my car and left.. and now here i am looking up what i now know as heritage USA... so your saying there is ALOT more of the park then just the waterpark. wow.. i read 2600 acres of land.... sad its not even being used,, i;d really like to go back one night and tour the whole park with me camera.. just can;t get caught (sneaky sneaky) anyway, just commenting and nice pics..
mark 22-Mar-2005 05:34
i was very interested in the story of heritage usa. today i went to heritage usa with my brother and we looked around. about a year or so ago my brother and some friends went and looked around the grounds of heritage usa and even slid down the main slides at the waterpark and thier adventure was almost over and they got caught. they decided to exit from the bridge at the main entrance to the waterpark when the got caught by a rent-a-cop. well it turns out that a section of heritage was purchased by a church in charlotte nc. the church purchased the main and secondary hotels and the mainstreet shops. right now the place is under renovation but you can actually go in the hotel where the famous christmas tree once stood. we actually went inside and looked around(we had to register at the front desk and were able to walk around inside as long as we wanted to)infact they currently hold religious services in the center where the christmas tree was at. and they also are in the process of rennovating 90 hotel rooms. the woman at the front desk told us that they are going to dimolish the main hotel(the tower)and eventually use the grand reception hall(im not sure what it is called but the building to the left of the main hotel near the castle).the rest of the former heritage usa by what i know is still owned by some random company in malaysia. people actually have timeshares in some of the villas and there is even a campground near the upper room building.
GREG 05-Mar-2005 07:07
MR PRYHILL...HOW NICE .
I love your gallery and in defense of the several SILLY comments on
the BAKKERS AIR CONDITION DOG HOUSE and some even said AIRCONDITION DOG HOUSES, THAT IS
SO NOT TRUE.....Their was only one ONE old scratch wood particles built as anyone should
know after the DOG HOUSE was shown, and it was an aircondition that had a heater "HEATER"
combo, and rather old at that and it was put into an opening that was opened long after
the dog house was built so it was not intended at first to be an electerical house ,but as the Bakkers were on a road trip Tammy Faye worried about the dogs being outside in the cold and so Jim Bakker called a repaire person, to locate the AIR/HEAT combo and install it AND AS WE ALL KNOW TAMMY FAYE ADORED HER DOGS and STILL ADORES THEM, so IT WAS DONE and as I read these post about a simple dog house which looked actualy sadd I am sickened
at this being a BIG DEAL or even mentioned beside what was truly sad, that the FOUL person who took HERITAGE away and bankrupted it , left the poor dogs standing around it as it was lifted....How crule. He could have taken the AIR/HEAT combo and left atleast the Dog house...I say who ever laid a hand on that doghouse and removed it to make fun of
something that was not property of Heritage but the personal belongings of The Bakkers was truly , sick. SICK....So as you talk of this ac doghouse, you need to look at the photos and THINK how sad America allowed this to be mentioned as a wealthy show of excess
WHEN I who work hard just as many of you do, am guilty of being to good to my Dogs. How really under educated these post about the dog house seem. Tammy Faye and Jim both describe the dog house...It is shown in numerous photos and How sad and silly it is that it is made such an issue of. Get with it. Those Dogs didnt build it and who ever told what happened to the poor Dogs.
God bless you, Greg
joe 22-Feb-2005 22:25
As I am sure we all really appreciate your input, I think it would be nice if you could find somewhere else to discuss your own issues. This is not a forum to debate bible topics, or to discriminate against anyone. Please, no further discussion about gays, and especially if it is negative. That doesnt help anyone now does it?
If you have questions about the bible..go ask god, not here. This is about Heritage USA.
Thank you,
Joe
Kappasigmapi22-Feb-2005 21:07
Posted in response to Guest:
"Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how to follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? She's 18 and starting University. Will the slave buyer continue to pay for her education by law?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. I'm sure you have found a way to do this and can share it with me.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact lenses help?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear hemp gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging."

Please, before we begin mindlessly tossing Bible verses around out of context and cherry picking the ones to justify our discomfort and perceived sinfulness of gays, I ask that fellow Christians keep in mind that there are many Biblical prohibitions that we no longer observe in our society...some of them are downright outrageous as exemplified above. It's unjust to pick and choose from these dusty passages only when it's time to call out the gays.

Regarding Gillian's comment: She's exactly right to ask how we know what Jesus would think. Of these cherry-picked verses, not a one was spoken by Jesus. In fact, Jesus was silent on the subject of homosexuality (but not-so-silent on the issue of divorce which is perfectly legal in today's society). Same sex relations as they exist today (committed relationships) are not addressed anywhere in the Bible, however historians have recorded their existence throughout history. All we're introduced to in the Bible are the lusters, the sodomites, the rapists and the criminals. These are NOT the same type people who today wish to enter into loving relationships with another person who happens to be of the same sex. The Bible's silence on genuine same sex relationships and Jesus's complete silence on homosexuality in general should not be overlooked.

By the way, the above quoted passage was shamelessly borrowed from the popular internet meme "A Letter to Dr. Laura." Of course one could interpret this as a violation of the 8th commandment: thou shalt not steal, even though the internet, fair use and copyright laws didn't exist in Biblical times. Oh, but wait, that would be applying a rule from a different day and age to a situation that didn't even exist when the rules were created.
Guest 20-Feb-2005 15:54
"Andrea -

I am mighty glad that you can conjecture what Jesus would think. I do not have that kind of skill. I know that it is a hateful enough world without adding more hate and then attributing that to Jesus.

Gillian"

Uhhhh, we don't have to conjecture what Jesus thinks, Gillian. We have what He thinks in our Bibles. Why not read it sometime? Then you'll be in-the-know too!! If you call God's abomination talk as "hate", well... that's your perogative but it's right there in the Holy Word.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 2and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Guest 17-Feb-2005 20:10
I would really like to know what is going on with the Heritage USA and it's concept how can I find out. If anyone knows please e-mail me @gailhumphries72@hotmail.com
joe 16-Feb-2005 22:10
well..as bad as it looks..they have discovered that its really not in bad of shape as it may seem. as for the money... i wouldnt worry about it. morningstar can mangage. the ministry is really well off and god provides.
Just an Observer 14-Feb-2005 06:37
The pictures certainly show how time, lack of money, and lack of simple maintenance can cause idle structures to just deterioriate in such little time; the Tower is a classic example. A building such as that should have a 50-75 year lifespan at minimum...such a waste.

I am struck by why no one has built, say, a themed amusement park for the religious, but then I am not aware of what exists or if marketing indicates it could be viable in country and world full of competition for enterntainment/vacation dollars.

That Morningside has purchased it seems to be great news for those who wish to see it viable; it looks to me like it would cost millions to rehabilitate, refurbish, and keep going. Not sure if I understand their plans fully, or if they (or anyone) is capable of generating the money needed to get it going and make it a viable operation.

But it is sad to see it in such condition...
joe 14-Feb-2005 04:57
hey guys,
I attend MorningStar, so I thought I would fill you guys in on a few details...
basically it goes like this... MS has purchased the property and is restoring it. They are currently in the grand hotel. It really looks great in there (no more painted ceiling).
They are going to probubly have to tear down the old tower due to..well...its leaning and un inhabitable. There is talk of it being used in a movie or something, and just imploding it that way.
As for everything else...it will be a long process, but it will be turned into a multi functioning facility with stores (where people from the Comennius School (grade school 1-12 taht MorningStar has can learn and where MSM (morningstar school of ministry students) and the like may work and learn.
THe day school MSM MorningStar Fellowship church and everything else is now based out of that lovation. They will restore the conference centre to hold MorningStar conferences (which i recomend for anyone)... well you get the idea...
MorningStar kept the name that way in order to restore what was lost. That is something MS works on hard is restoring what has been lost, and maybe bringing some things into fruition that were meant to be since the start of PTL. There is alot of history in that place, and they will not hide it (not like it could be anyway).
Anyway, I hope this tells you something!
Joe
Guest 14-Feb-2005 00:56
Heritage is now open again. Morningstar Ministries purchased the hotel, main street & the conference center along with 52 acres of land back in September. I attended a conference there this weekend 2/10- 2/12 and the folks at Morningstar plan to restore the facility to "better than new" condition. To honor PTL Partners they are calling the facility Heritage International Ministries H.I.M. They are meeting in the lobby of the grand hotel which after some new paint and carpet looks good as new. It will take lots of work as the place is in poor condition but it will be well worth it.
sir Josh 28-Jan-2005 22:57
I have been intrigued by Heritage USA ever since reading PJ O'Rourke's article on it in "Holidays in Hell". However, I would like to ask, what is so wrong about being gay? I am a bisexual, I am also an Bu-jew, a Jew who also believes in Buhddist teachings, but I know plenty of GBLTQ people who are devoutly religious. The Buddah teaches that in order to be at peace, one must accept that the world is flawed and also that one must try to change it, this is also a fundemental teaching of Judaism. The Rabbi's tell a story, that when YHWH created the earth, His light was put into clay vessels. An angel was sent to spread them around the world, but they broke and the light scattered and was covered. As humans we must act to better the world and each time we practice an act of Tikkun Olam, loving kindness, we bring that light back into the open. Therefore I submit to you that by automatically assumin that those who are gay are bad, you are further buring the light of Adonai and ask that you reconsider your stance.
Shalom Alechem, Peace be with you on your journey
Josh
lab 25-Jan-2005 07:13
My husband & I met at Heritage when we were 16... he was from the midwet and I from the northeast. It was no surprise to us when 8 years after we married we moved back to the place we met. I loved your pictures. It brought back memories. It is also sad how things have been allowed to go into decay. Many, however, are now excited about morningstar ministries purchase of 52 acres of the property and are eager to see how things get revived. Thanks again for this gallery. It was wonderful.
Kappasigmapi20-Jan-2005 20:00
There's a rough map available in the Images/Photos section of the Yahoo group PTLHERITAGEUSA.
William 20-Jan-2005 16:29
Does anyone have a map of site locations around the complex? I live right around the corner in Rock Hill and wanted to take som pics. NOT To Tresspass Or ANYTHING! :) ;)
Jessie Odell 19-Jan-2005 20:54
I am so glad that someone has taken the time to put together this wonderful website full of memories. It is such a shame to see such a wonderful place go to waste as it has. I would love nothing more than to see it all reopened and restored to what it once was. We have no place to go for vacation to feel as safe as you could at Heritage USA. We visted 6 flags in GA two summers ago, it was over run with gang members and we felt very uncomfortable. Disney isn't as safe as it once was either. I think what Jim and Tammy did by building this place was a wonderful thing. I just wish someone with enough money could reopen it and put it back on track. Thanks for the memories.

Always,

Jessie Odell
Palm Beach, Florida
Kappasigmapi18-Jan-2005 11:36
Hi Folks,
This is just a general admin post in response to a few comments I have noticed over the past year. While this notice applies to all of my galleries, I am posting this to the Heritage USA gallery since that is where 99% of my visitors and commenters arrive.

Please do not request personal email responses to your questions posted on this forum, as I cannot guarantee that I can provide a personal response. This is a forum - a message board, not a help desk or email list. If a genuine question is asked on the board, it's likely that myself or another regular will attempt to answer it within a reasonable timeframe ON THIS BOARD. I created (and pay for) this online album solely for personal use as an image hosting service for my blog...this message board is an extra, but I keep it because visitors seem to enjoy it and many questions from newbies can be answered by reading the previous messages. I do not visit this site unless I am uploading an image for the blog and so I cannot guarantee I will be able to answer every question posted. Sometimes it is weeks between my visits. I also appreciate the relative privacy offered by the board in that we can all participate in discussion without having to get involved in a huge email chain. If you are in need of a quick response to a Heritiage USA/PTL question, I recommend first researching the archives at the PTLHERITAGEUSA Yahoo group, and if that is not fruitful, then email your question directly to their listserv. You are likely to get a response within hours, as opposed to days or weeks waiting for me to check this site.

I also want to stress that I am in no way affiliated with PTL, Heritage USA, MorningStar Ministries or any religious organization tied to Heritage USA or H.I.M. I am a PTL layman, motivated by my peculiar interest in the former PTL/Heritage USA, my close proximity to the site and a secular curiosity as to what is to come under the "new management." I understand that many folks in the world have negative feelings toward the PTL organization or Christianity in general. I don't excuse the actions of those involved in the scandal, nor do I believe that all those who claim to speak for God are really acting on His true will, but this will never be a forum for Bakker bashing, Christian bashing or bashing of any form. If I suspect your intentions are insincere or that you are screwing around with me, you will be ignored and your comments may be deleted. If there is one thing I have learned from blogging, it's that you don't feed the trolls.

I do appreciate all those who frequent this forum, contribute to the positive discussion and help me with the genuine questions and topics that are brought up here. I hope you too enjoy this forum.
Kappasigmapi17-Jan-2005 14:40
Gillian asked: "Does anyone know whether or not any part of the Heritage Grand Hotel is currently being used? The other question I have is, where did Jim and Tammy live (or the PTL property, or somewhere else)?"

You may have already had your questions answered in the Yahoo group, but I thought I'd take a stab at it. The Grand is being renovated and used by MorningStar Ministries. At one point, the Bakkers lived in Tega Cay, a relatively upscale neighborhood on Lake Wylie. The lavish house burned down after the scandal, but not sure if that was determined to be arson.
Kappasigmapi17-Jan-2005 13:14
The Billy Graham house was near what I consider the back entrance off HWY 21 business. The current main entrance is off regular HWY 21, closest to the interstate. I am not sure which one was the main entrance back in the day. I believe the house was moved to the new Billy Graham Evangelistic Center on- (gasp) Billy Graham Parkway in Charlotte. The house really was falling into disrepair on the Heritage property.
GLENN PIPKIN 17-Jan-2005 05:34
I WAS JUST CHECKING OUT SOME STUFF ON EBAY AND SAW AN ARTICLE THAT HERTIAGE USA HAS BEEN SOLD AND THE NEW OWNERS ARE CLEANING IT UP... IS THIS TRUE? PLEASE EMAIL ME.
diesel411 17-Jan-2005 00:23
Where on the grounds is or was Billy Grahams childhood home? I was down there about 2 weeks ago and couldn't find it. Things have changed so drastically since the last time I was there (about 15 years ago at the water park) that I had a hard time remembering where things were.
happypartner 16-Jan-2005 04:29
THANKS for the memories!! So glad I found this site!
We were poor newly married folks in the early 80's and thanks to a generous Godly soul who bought us TWO "Lifetime Partnerships" a few years into our marriage, we had MANY WONDERFUL "free" vacations at "Heritage USA"! :) We loved the "Marriage Workshops", skating rink, DINO !(remember the 5 grand pianos?), getting to watch yourself on TV when you got home (ha ha), the auctions behind the General Store, the greatest WATERPARK in the world, and of course the dinner theaters, the Passion Play, etc. I could go on and on about all the HAPPY memories. MY life and my family's life will forever be changed by PTL.
Your pictures make me want to hop in my car(loaded with shovel, hoe, paint, etc.) and drive down there and just start cleaning and RESTORING our beloved vacation oasis!
Guest 13-Jan-2005 17:23
Andrea -

I am mighty glad that you can conjecture what Jesus would think. I do not have that kind of skill. I know that it is a hateful enough world without adding more hate and then attributing that to Jesus.

Gillian
Andrea 13-Jan-2005 06:32
Ace: "I'm unsure whether your comment is referring to the fact that Eric and his friends appear to be gay, or whether it's the playful poses with the statues."

The "playful poses with the statues" were extremely sacreligious and the bedroom scenes were totally unnecessary and very immodest. I do not think Jesus would approve of either and neither do I.
Psylence 07-Jan-2005 02:32
I just went to where the Heritage USA sight tonight for the first time. I didn't grow up in the US so I wasn't familiar with what went on, but a friend of mine filled me in and we decided to go. We found out that Morningstar Fellowship Ministries has purchased some of the property and will be rebuilding it. I went to their website today and the Property is going to be named Heritage International Ministries H.I.M. Anyone interested should go and check it out.
Gillian 31-Dec-2004 06:16
Does anyone know whether or not any part of the Heritage Grand Hotel is currently being used? The other question I have is, where did Jim and Tammy live (or the PTL property, or somewhere else)?
andy 23-Dec-2004 19:12
I appreciate your comment to Andrea. I agree too, that being gay is not incompatible with Christianity. I appreciate your photos of Heritage USA. I am also a member of the yahoo PTL HERITAGE USA group and love getting the updates on what is now going on there. I admit that I am a fan of Tammy Faye and loved her on the Surreal Life. I then saw the documentary "The Eyes of Tammy Faye" and was shocked to find out that a once great piece of property was rotting away. Since then I have been very concerned about Heritage USA and appreciate people like you who keep us up to date.
Brian 10-Dec-2004 05:32
First off, I enjoyed all of these pics when you first put them up so thank you very much. I have been reading the many comments and I must chime in on the issue of Eric Bunting.
Andrea, first of all one of the greatest commands is to love thy neighbor. I dont understand why so many in the Christian church feel that you must hate the sinner. I believe it was to love the sinner but hate the sin. You see I am speaking as a member of the gay community who was born and raised in a pentecostal church. I know who God is and always know one thing that God loves me. While I do not know if being gay is wrong in his eyes I know he is there with me and he loves me. The church needs to really open up and realize that the hatred has created a large wall to the gay community. If you are truly out to save people from their sin, as you believe, then you should be creating conversatiion and showing your love. You can not reach someone if you have put them so far away by not showing the love.
Many of the gay community have a great hate, disregard, and total non believe about God because what they see and experience is nothing but hate on the side of the church. The actions that you show start a reaction. I encourage you to search the word and to search your heart and seek a direction. God still loves all of us gay men and women, and he has not forsaken us as his church has. You are to go out to all the world to share the word but how can you do that if a whole segment of people will not even enter a church door in fear of the hate, the hurt, the pain. Many have had enough from their own families and they dont need it where they are seeking refuge.
Sorry to preach on the message board but felt it needed to be said. Now onto something great. THe first service of the new ministry took place in the beautiful Heritage Grand hotel this weekend to a maximum capacity crowd. Heritage may have appeared dead but the spirit has never left this place that was dedicated for the Glory of God. Check out the pics on the yahoo group.

Thanks for allowing me to post,
Brian
Kappasigmapi09-Dec-2004 17:15
Thanks for the note Andrea. I certainly appreciate your concern, however I am in no position to judge Eric on anything more than the quality of his interesting photographs (if that). I'll leave judgement to the One who truly knows what's in his heart. I'm unsure whether your comment is referring to the fact that Eric and his friends appear to be gay, or whether it's the playful poses with the statues. Personally as well as spiritually, I don't think either is sacrilegious. I find nothing incompatible between Christianity and being gay. God loves everyone and welcomes those who seek him. I also doubt that Eric and his friends were being irreverent or mocking the Lord in their photos. I'd venture to say they were just having fun, and if Jesus was alive today, I doubt he'd mind Eric's offer of a Dorito. I recall his excitement when sharing the photographs with the PTLHERITAGEUSA Yahoo group email list. He wrote: "I stayed at the lodges which were very affordable and on Saturday night I went to see Narroway's Anno Domini (at the Kings Arena amphitheater). It was incredible! I can only pray that this once beautiful place for families of GOD will be restored and used for its intended purposes. I do beleive the sun will shine again!!" You can't judge a book by it's cover. That being said, the link to Eric's site will remain on my site.
Guest 07-Dec-2004 17:03
This is in reference to Andrea's comments about Eric's pictures. I think it is a lot more disrespectful to Jesus when two people run a ministry and rip people off for years. There were a lot of people who gave their money to Heritage; these people were lied to (while Jim and Tam were living it up). THAT was the real sin; so, don't worry about a few pictures that might offend you - just don't go to his site, but remember, this is America, and it is not up to you to decide what others should be able to see.
Andrea 04-Dec-2004 06:52
Ace, I wouldn't recommend Eric Bunting's website for Heritage USA pictures. Eric's site is very sacriligious towards Our Lord. In fact, horribly so. If you go to his site and look at the 3rd page of Heritage USA pictures, towards the bottom you will see what I mean. Bleh!! I'd stay away from sites like his, no matter how recent his pictures are.... and I certainly wouldn't promote his site here. In fact, if you decide to delete your reference to his site, feel free to delete this message as well. I don't think his name should even be mentioned on your website here.
Dave 01-Dec-2004 06:25
Really a tremendous group of pics, both fascinating and heart wrenching. I had always had a critical view of the the PTL ministries and believed most of what I'd heard or read about various scandals there. But recently I've realized that my judgement was shortsighted, I read Jim Bakker's book " I was wrong" and it made me realize that God truly does give and take away and we rarely see the big picture. I'm glad I found this site and the efforts that go into it are appreciated. Thanks.
Robert 22-Nov-2004 06:09
I recently started working in Charlotte and found myself taking a quick trip down to the Fort Mill area and passed the exit Heritage USA was on and it brought back a ton of memories. So I found this site and it I can sum up the pictures in one word "unbelievable!"
I went to Heritage USA when I was a young boy with my Grandparents. My grandparents were big supporters, my parents were not. Don't get me wrong been a faithful Christian my whole life as have my parents, but I remember my Dad saying recently when I asked him about it, as my memories are fuzzy about what really went on there. He said there was something he didn't like when he paid 20 bucks (back in '84) for four small hamburgers and the guy took the money and said "God bless you." I guess that's not much different then going to Disney World and paying the same price for hamburgers but there's something about doing that in God's name that made him feel a little like he was being taken advantage of.
I think the whole concept started out as a good idea with good intensions, but we all see what happens everyday with CEOs and people with power have money coming their way and they start air conditioning their dog houses and buying multiple mansions with huge walk in closets with the money of their faithful followers. Unbelievable!
Like some of the other posts here I get that same creepy feeling looking at the pictures. It almost has a post apocalyptic feel to it. I'm really going to have to stop by there one day soon and get a look for myself, thanks for the pictures. It brought back some memories.
Kappasigmapi27-Oct-2004 16:13
I haven't been over there since Spring, so I don't have much new. I am due a drive through, but I want to avoid security. Since a large segment was recently purchased, I'm not sure how open and accessable it is to curiosity seekers. There have been a couple adventurous souls lately who got great shots. Both guys went into the roped off areas, including the water park.
http://sbno.illicitohio.com/heritage/heritage01.html
http://ericbunting.com/
I am sure there has been vandalism over the years, as well as some vagrants, but the property is far enough from the city that crime hasn't been too bad. There was a mysterious fire years back that burned down Kevin's House and vandalism is suspected.
gillian andersen 26-Oct-2004 19:19
I have really enjoyed your site. Do you have any more recent pictures that you could post? Also, do you know if there are problems with people breaking into the buildings? It would seem that an empty place like that could be dangerous.
Kappasigmapi26-Oct-2004 02:59
I'll agree with you on the eerie feeling. I can't quite place it. Everytime I have visited the site, I feel like I'm not supposed to be there. I am facinated by the property and the state of decay. Certainly it's a sad thing to see all that money go to waste, and I admire those who are so dedicated to bringing it back to a useful purpose. Some folks really made emotional investments in the place and are determined to bring it back to life.
Kappasigmapi26-Oct-2004 02:54
It's my understanding that the studio is still in use by Narroway Productions. They use the indoor facility for their productions during the winter. The Studio is connected to the Barn which was the church facility. I'm guessing that's probably what you see that's in such bad shape.
Teresa 25-Oct-2004 10:35
My husband and I lived in Charlotte for 4 years and left in 2002. We visited the Heritage site quite a few times and each time was eerie. There was something foreboding about the place. The unfinished brick hotel just radiated evil. Everyone we went with said the same thing. We used to walk along the back near the water and the shops that still had everything in them. It's like it was just deserted in mid-step. It was very creepy.

I know that at one time, Sony was trying to buy the site, but that fell through. Seems like the place just wasn't meant to be much of anything.

I do know that the Navy was, and might still be, using the "lake" area around some of the apartment condos for training purposes for the SEAL Units.

I'm sure that if the Bakkers had used the money wisely, as opposed to building air-conditioned dog houses for their pooches, that the site could have really continued to be something.
John 20-Oct-2004 18:59
I just heard about the sale of Heritage USA. Is the television studio still in use/ The pictures look pretty bad.
John Henshaw 01-Oct-2004 14:39
I have just returned to Ireland having spent a week at the Harverst Fest 2004 hosted by MorningStar Ministries on the Heritage USA site (well, actually only a small part of it).
I went in search of some background info on the place and found this website.
It is MorningStar who have purchased a small portion of the property.

The only part of the property that was open to the Festival was the Kings Arena and the Studio. The Kings Arena is currently used by NarroWay Productions to stage their Christian stage shows. As part of the festival, we were treated to a performance of Anno Domino, the myrterdom of Stephen. A very moving show. I suspect now that MorningStar have bought over the place, NarroWay will be encouraged to stay and will gain much publicity from MorningStar Ministries. I believe God put His stamp on it by arranging for a cross to remain in the moon lit sky during the second half of the show. Perhaps they were vapour trails, but they lasted for over an hour.

We stayed in one of the Lakeside Lodges, apparantly part of the Defender group. It was not clear which buildings were part of the Defender concern and what was belonging the the old Heritage site. The decay is appaling. Many of the buildings are in need of demolition. Perhaps the film company will oblige.

I just want to add my thanks to the grounds persons who are still maintaining the place. Your work is truely appreciated.
scott 28-Sep-2004 03:59
I currently do the mowing inside the park now.We only mow the roadside areas
I grew up going to heritage and its a shame to see it every week in its condition.
A lot of people still drive thru the park and seem upset by its appearance.We are only paid for basic mowing, but sometimes we will do little extras just to maintain the drive around the park for viewers.I hope the new owner will keep us because I would enjoy being part of the massive clean up heritage needs.
Your pics. were great. Im going to continue my search for earlier shots of the park
THANKS
R.Santos 27-Sep-2004 18:06
Great news! the Heritage USA grounds have been purchased by a christian organization from Charlotte that plan to restore it into something even better!
Justin 22-Sep-2004 18:32
Wow.

Some people really are crazy.
Andrea 18-Sep-2004 22:18
Oh, how I remember the good times my parents and I had at Heritage USA in the 1980s. What a beautiful place, filled with beautiful Christian people, all happy and smiling and enjoying themselves.... grateful to be gathered in the name of the Lord on holy ground. Skeptics can say whatever they want to say. Skeptics always do! But my parents and I were PTL Club members and we got everything we paid for, by being Lifetime Partners with our donation of $1,000. We stayed 5 nights and 6 days in the Heritage Inn each year (if you chose to stay in the larger Heritage Grand Hotel, you were entitled to 3 nights and 4 days) and never had a problem booking our free stay. Of course, like Disney World or Disney Land, sometimes the first or second dates that we had picked were not available, but we always found a grouping of 5 nights and 6 days together sometime around the dates that we wanted to come.

We could have left a $50 bill sticking out of our motel room door when we left to go to dinner or go shopping, and when we got back that bill would have still been there, untouched. There were no cigarettes.... there was no alcohol.... yet everyone was happy and smiling and glad to be on vacation to such a place that was so God-honoring.

When Jim and Tammy asked for donations on their television show, we would donate. When we would go to PTL the next time, for our vacation, there the building would be that Jim had been collecting money for! Kevin's House.... the unwed mothers' home.... whatever. Each time we went to Heritage USA, it was proof positive to us that our donations were being used to carry out what was promised. Christians deserved a Godly place to go on vacation and Jim and Tammy Bakker made that happen. The memories I have of many a vacation at Heritage USA, with my Daddy I loved so much who has since gone on to be with the Lord, will stay with me forever as some of the fondest memories of my life. My Dad died in February of 1987, a month before all the problems started occurring with Jim and Tammy, and I was so glad that he didn't live to see all that had happened. He loved Jim and Tammy very much, as did my Mom and I. It would have broke his heart to see them unjustly prosecuted and punished for something they did not do.

What a terrible shame to see Heritage USA in the condition it's in today. It was such a living testimony of the power that God's people have when they join together and decide to do good for His Name's sake. I pray there will be another Jim and Tammy Bakker someday whom the Lord will raise up, to create another wonderful "heaven on earth" like Heritage USA was, so that God's people can once again come together in one place to enjoy each other's company and vacation amongst like-minded believers.

Jim and Tammy... those of us who supported you still love you and wish you both the best.
Kristen 17-Sep-2004 04:54
I was a preteen when the scandal regarding Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker broke. Being a Christian myself and having come from a Christian home (and not knowing anything about the grace of God yet since I was still so young and hadn't needed to call on that yet!) I can remember feeling very critical and holier-than-thou about it. For years I would hear little snippets in the news about them and remember the things that I had heard about them, but I never really gave it too much thought. It wasn't until I was watching the first season of Surreal Life that I really saw any of Tammy Faye's character. I was so impressed with her. She truly embodied the characteristics of the Christan life I try to lead. She didn't judge, she shared her faith when appropiate, she continued to live her life in a Godly fashion no matter who was around, and she loved her castmates despite their differences in life styles. Since then I've thought of her often and tonight I caught her E!True Hollywood Story. It was the first time that I'd heard the whole story of what went wrong all those years ago and it was also the first time I'd ever heard of Heritage USA, the Christian Disneyworld. It seemed like the sort of place I would have loved to go as a child. I became very curious and while searching for information about it, came across this site. The pictures are so sad. Especially when compared side by side with the original pictures full of happiness and light and happy families enjoying themselves. It really is too bad that what could have been a really great place that could have impacted so many people and brought the word of the Lord to so many has fallen into such disarray and decay. I truly hope that God sees fit to bring this place back to life. However, He does have a reason for everything and maybe this place stands as testament to the fact the He MUST come first before riches and fame. I really believe that Tammy Faye has learned that. I hope that Jim Bakker has as well. Thank you for posting these photos.
Kappasigmapi16-Sep-2004 21:13
At times, accessing the park is pretty easy. I guess it just depends whether a nice security guard is on duty or not. I've heard stories from folks where they were almost chased out, and other times where security looked in the other direction when sightseeers drove thru. Some traffic is to be expected as there is the active camp ground, the timeshares and the amphitheater. Generally, if you stay away from roped off areas (like the Heritage Grand & Tower), you'll be ok. I've made about 5 trips in and have never been ejected, but I have gotten some suspicious looks. Perhaps that's because of my excessive picture taking. Some more adventureous souls have crossed the baricaded places, but I don't want to go to jail, so I have played by the rules despite the urge to explore. I haven't heard of anyone in the general public getting inside the Grand. It may be deemed unsafe, but since the pending real estate deal, I'd think only the involved parties are getting access at this point.
Gillian 16-Sep-2004 20:30
These are interesting photographs. How difficult was it for you to gain access? Do you have any photos of the interior of the Heritage Grand in its current condition?
Guest 08-Sep-2004 05:02
You people are hilarious. This place was built by a couple of delusional criminals. It is really sad that so many people gave up their money to them, but I think this wreck should stand as it is--a testament to the gullibility of people who would send money to TV evangelists.
H. Fisher 08-Sep-2004 01:00
I had always heard about this place since I was a child - a gigantic park in disrepair - but at the time I was too young to understand the magnitude of it... what a waste of people's faith and money. Thank you for taking the time to post these pics.
Patricia McCurry 06-Sep-2004 10:51
It was with saddness in my heart that I read the story in yesterdays York Observer about Heritage usait looks like it is now destined to be torn down and replaced with houses or whatever.that is unless The Lord intervenes!I still believe that He annointed Heritage with a special annointing and it still belongs to Him!man cannot destroy what he has planed!I went to many a serivce at Heritage that were really a blessing.there wa a very real presence of The Lord there!it was unfortunate that things happened like they did,but satan will attack where much is being done or The Lord.thank you for showing the pictures especially the "Before" ones!Ms patricia McCurry York,S.C.
Kappasigmapi01-Sep-2004 17:38
Ah, "The Eyes of Tammy Faye", a great documentary.
Kappasigmapi01-Sep-2004 17:35
I don't know the asking price. I'm just am amateur photographer with a facination with PTL. If you're truly serious, and I guess you'd have to win the lotto first before you could be really serious, all the info you need is in the Yahoo group PTLHERITAGEUSA. There you can research the name of the corporation that currently owns the property. I've heard a buyer is in negotiations or even closing, so I'm not sure it's even still on the table. Good luck!
Kappasigmapi01-Sep-2004 17:31
The property is mostly vacant. There's an active campground where some of the original PTLers still live, a few cabins that are timeshares and a Christian production company uses the amphitheater & studios. Other than that, the place is pretty deserted. Word is that the property has been sold and I presume the parties are in the contract/closing process. Much of the land East of the tracks is slated for retail & residential development, but I have heard rumors of a Christian organization purchasing the actual park property. Of course there have been many rumors that have never come to fruition, so you can never be certain. It truly is a gorgeous piece of land.
Cyndi 01-Sep-2004 15:05
Anyone who has ever visited or stayed at Heritage USA will cringe at the current photos and smile when they see they see the older ones. (I stayed there to attend a worship dance conference just a week or so prior to the "scandel" breaking.) I saw Tammy Faye not too long ago on a TV interview where they took her back onto the overgrown grounds. She was sitting on a patio outside the main hotel, showing the rusty patio furniture and saying how in her day, that would have never been allowed to remain because everything was kept in tip-top shape. Yes, Tammy, it was, and it is truely a shame that all the money spent on the place has gone to waste. I'm so glad to hear that someone is finally going to create beauty there once again.... I just hope that in keeping with its name, the new developers also preserve some of the 'heritage' of the original. :)
glenn pipkin 29-Aug-2004 00:17
whats the cost of heritage usa today, august 28, 2004?? please email me i might be interested in it... i pray that God will grant me the money from the lottery to buy it and to return it to its original.
gillian 28-Aug-2004 15:41
This is interesting. Do you know what has become of this property now? Is any part of it actually being used?
Kimberly Kelly Klovensky 28-Aug-2004 02:17
I don't know how I found this site but, I just want to say I would love for Heritage USA to live again. I will be forever grateful to Jim and Tammy Bakker and The Heritage House/Tender Loving Care Adoption Agency. I was 17 years old and pregnant when I went to Heritage USA in October 1984. I loved it there. Everyone I met was very kind and never made me feel cheap or unwanted. There are a group of several forme residents who are planning a reunion in a few years. We plan on touring the grounds while there. After seeing these pictures I am in awe at how horrible everything looks. I have such good memories of Christmas, the lights, the TRAFFIC. Oh yeah, AND the singing Christmas Card right outside my window. Taht took a little getting used to, but I managed. I gave birth to my daughter on May 5th 1985 and moved back to Baton Rouge. I never had the opportunity to visit again.

Thanks,
Kimberly
Steve 18-Aug-2004 00:09
Funny that, just found this on MSNBC.com

Developer plans to buy Heritage USA, former PTL resortBy ASSOCIATED PRESSAug. 02 - A developer who has built subdivisions on land that once belonged to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's former Christian resort Heritage USA announced plans to buy much of the remaining property.

Earl Coulston announced Friday that his company, Coulston Enterprises Inc. of Fort Mill, S.C., has agreed to buy another 942 acres of the 2,000-acre resort from Malaysian United Industries, the international conglomerate that has owned it since 1992.

The deal, though not sealed, effectively dismantles the Bakkers' religious theme park, which closed in 1997. It once drew 6 million people a year.

Malaysian United, which owns the land through its subsidiary Regent Carolina Corp., bought 2,000-plus acres out of bankruptcy court. An attorney for Regent said Coulston's statement had been authorized, but declined to provide more details.

Under the deal, Regent would continue to own the Regent Park golf course and the pyramid-shaped office building that serves as offices for Laura Ashley, maker of apparel and home furnishings, Colston said.

Coulston said the tract to be sold includes a water park, 500-room hotel and an unfinished, crumbling 21-story condominium tower.

Coulston said the development about 15 miles south of downtown Charlotte will be residential and commercial, but declined to reveal specifics. A master plan will be released in two or three weeks and reviewed by area governments, he said.

"It's going to open up this place," Coulston said. "I think we'll become part of Charlotte when we do this."

Gaylord Entertainment Co. announced an agreement to buy the resort in 1998, but negotiations stalled when the parties reportedly couldn't agree on price. Nashville-based Gaylord owns the Grand Ole Opry and had planned to build a $200 million hotel and convention center.

About 1,000 acres of the property has since been sold for housing developments and small retail centers. Coulston spearheaded most of those deals. He had been general manager of the property for Regent between 1991 and 1997.

Much of Heritage USA's development was paid for by small donations from PTL ministry fans across the world. In return for one-time donations, typically $1,000, PTL had promised its "lifetime partners" three free nights a year in the Heritage Grand Hotel or the towers for the rest of their lives.

The Christian operation unraveled in the late 1980s after federal officials began to investigate PTL's money-raising practices
Steve 18-Aug-2004 00:05
Nice gallery, you've got alot of the same images I have just taken this very morning.
I was not a follower of Jim and Tammy, in fact I thought they were ripping people off from the get go, but I can appreciate the place, and the history surrounding it, and think it's a shame its gone to pot. I'd have to say though, the damage looks beyond repair on some of those buildings, especially the television studio (The Barn you have shots of with the holes thru the roof).
Kappasigmapi12-Aug-2004 12:11
Jerry,
The Yahoo group PTLHERITAGEUSA is going to be your best source for anything PTL related. Ebay is a good place to look for old memorabilia, and sometimes members of the Yahoo group will trade videos, or make copies, etc. It's a good network to be a part of if you're really interested in the past & present of Heritage. Thanks for stopping by.
julie 10-Aug-2004 06:44
there have been recent articles regarding the sale of the property...that it will be used for mixed land use(commercial, residential.) it merely will be developed on. i found it today while leisurely driving around and was drawn to it. not knowing what history this place had, i saw it revived and restored, perhaps not what it originally was. i myself wanted the property instantly...i live paycheck to paycheck. after discovering this fascinating place, i found a picture of the tower in the charlotte observer, then found this website. fascinating what is God's plan? who currently owns the property??
jerry gray 08-Aug-2004 14:10
Thank you so very much for pics. just surfing and found this site . visited ptl many times as cousin was partner. but lost contact after fall of ptl and moved to east coast of nc. remeber seeing tammy a few years ago at sweet union flea market but reading newly found forum sorry to hear about her cancer. please email me where i may get more info about past pics and books and what is going on today so good to hear ptl and hertiage village is still alive in everyones memories and dreams. Thank you for rekindling fond memories
jerry
Guest 02-Aug-2004 01:45
To Gene:
I am one of the moderators of the bulletin board on the PTLHERITAGEUSA Group on Yahoo. I am very sorry you feel the way you do about us. If we have hurt you in any way, we must ask you to forgive us. You can be assured it was absolutely unintentional. Rather than airing your concerns publicly in this forum, you should have followed the Biblical principles of resolving disputes contained in Matthew 18. You have chosen to not do so. Therefore, we are forced to respond to your concerns in this public forum. If you continue to have any questions or concerns, please e-mail us directly. Our e-mail addresses are available by logging onto the PTLHERITAGEUSA Group site on Yahoo.

God bless you,
Rick
Gene 30-Jul-2004 19:35
I am a Member of the PTLHERITAGEUSA group, on Yahoo, and lemme tell ya...Them people are real dicks! (Not the other members, but the people who "looks over" it. I cannot believe how they done me... They took my email and used it for their own personal experience, inwhich I DID NOT appreciate! So to make this a little shorter, I HIGHLY appreciate this lil group with pictures.
God Bless You-
Gene
Kappasigmapi15-Jul-2004 16:52
I share a lot of your sentiment. I'm a big fan of Tammy Faye and I speculate that if it weren't for her health, she might be more involved with attempts to bring back Heritage. I love your comment "We can't all fit in to a little box and be perfect, if we were all alike we'd be bored to pieces." It sums up what I think many of the leaders of organized religion would to see; however, I believe God wants all kinds of children in his kingdom. It's also almost an exact quote from the movie "Saved." The movie, a tad hokey at times, makes some great points about the "rightous, religious" movement that you refer to.

Like I said in another post, well just have to wait and see what God's plan is for the property. If it's meant to be, it will. Cities take lifetimes to build, yet only moments to destroy.

It's my pleasure that I could post these pics for those who can't physically visit the site, as well as those that get turned away by security.
Kappasigmapi15-Jul-2004 16:38
It sure would be a blessing to see it restored. We'll just have to wait and see what God's plan for it is.
Kappasigmapi15-Jul-2004 16:26
It is pretty depressing. One would think that someone, somewhere would be able to mobilize the resources to bring it back to life...but trust is a hard thing to build when it was damaged so.
Brad Bacon 14-Jul-2004 14:29
Just wanted to say thanks for the pictures. Having spent a lot of time there it brought back good memories. I was Richard Dortch's Administrative Assistant and then went on to manage Heritage USA under the bankruptcy court. I remember shutting down the property after hurricane Hugo because we didn't have the funds to clear the property. A lot memories.......mostly good.
I left Charlotte in 1990.
Thanks again.
Brad Bacon
Lynnette 14-Jul-2004 03:00
I've read the messages here, and have reflected on my dream of visiting Heritage USA as a young Mother in the early 80's. This was before the "rightous, religious" men brought down the Bakker family and their ministry.

I remember getting updates in the mail on how the progress was going for the building of this vacation haven for Christian families. Sadly, I never made it there. My life went a bit off track. Recently I've questioned religion in general. Growing up Catholic, then becoming a Christian (yes, they're different) was a life altering experience for me. If it was not for PTL, Tammy Faye inparticular I honestly believe I would never have found my way to God. I am so thankful for her and that she shared her struggles with the world. She and Jim Bakker raised an awesome son, although I've never met him - I can tell his heart is in the right place, for Christ and for the "misfits" of society. We can't all fit in to a little box and be perfect, if we were all alike we'd be bored to pieces.

It would be very nice if the "Laura Ashley" people would give all of this property back to the Bakker/Messner family and allow them to continue on with their dream. I know the place is a wreck, but with so many people with kind hearts, a lot of out of work construction workers, etc., people could volunteer their time and get the place up and running. God is good, and prayers aren't always answered right away - but over time. We should stay strong and stand up for what we believe in.

I appreciate that Ace Pryhill took the time to post these photographs here. I would really like to read some history of Heritage USA over the past years, I know there were homes that people lived in and am wondering what happened to them, the homes, the people ... are they still there? What do they want?

Thank you Ace Pryhill for sharing your vision with us.

Blessings to all of you,
Lynnette
Novato, California
Ronald 10-Jul-2004 09:41
Dear Group Members,
Please allow me to introduce myself to some, and present myself to others. My name is Ronald, I'm 19 and from West Virginia. The reason I am writing you is because I am botherd with something. There is something I just don't understand-NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY TO MAKE MYSELF-I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND!
Many of us are in this group, because we want something done with Heritage USA. I am in it for the same reason, and I stand behind you 110%! But like I said...There is something that has been REALLY BOTHERING ME, it seems like FOREVER...We talk about "Reviving our Heritage..." but yet, we dont. Why? I mean, YES this group is a WONDERFUL THING (All my love and appreciation goes out to the owners)but is it enough? Is us going to Heritage USA now, really enough? IS IT REALLY "THAT SATISFYING"??? I don't know about for you, but its NOT enough for me. I want MORE! I want to see it live again...I'm 19, I know...And alot of you will probably just "Sweep this lil message off your shoulders"...But WHY would you want to? This just isnt "My Heritage" or "Your Heritage", ITS AMERICA'S HERITAGE! How SAD that no matter what, people can find a way to keep a bar in business, or they can keep a strip club in business...This is OUR HERITAGE people...The people who own it, really has NO RIGHT owning it-ITS GODS PROPERTY...
Tammy Faye and myself are really close...She bought me some things for graduation last year, and she emails me from time to time...But I read in her book, she needed $20,000 dollars to start a new ministry, so she called her friend who is VERY wealthy, and he denied her...She said that $20,000 is all she needed, after the first few months "the show would be paying for itself"...People-SHE IS WILLING to "do it". She said in her movie "The Eyes Of Tammy Faye" she would love to make it (Heritage USA) live again, but she couldnt. She cant, because she can't do it by herself...PLEASE PEOPLE...STOP letting a little bit be enough...Start sending Tammy Faye donations twards that 20,000...I HAVE! PLEASE...DONT "brush this off your shoulders" as if you never seen it...Lets get for real, and TAKE BACK our Heritage! ALOT of you I'm sure are saying "ITS IMPOSSIBLE!"...OH YE OF LITTLE FAITH-GOD says: With Me, ALL THINGS are possible! (Luke 18:27) So PLEASE...Lets start talking about BRINGING IT BACK, and REFUSE letting a visit to a ghost town be enough...Enoughs NEVER enough! I'm done...I CANT say this enough...DONT "Brush this off" and look at it as another "post message", because friend...It it's not.
God Bless You ALWAYS, And In ALL WAYS-
Ronald

**A Special Thank You To The Owners Of This Group...GOD BLESS YOU For Starting This!

PS-MOST people believe using CAPS is a form of yelling...Please understand-I wasn't yelling...Just trying to get the point across...God Bless You-Ronald
June (Clark) Brobst 27-Jun-2004 05:04
I came across this site, quite "by accident".....however, nothing is an accident with the Lord, you know! I am so glad to see these pictures, as when my husband and I came to see "the grounds", as they are so dearly known to those that Heritage remains a part of, I fairly ached for the way that the property looked. So many songs of praise and so many prayers went up to the Father there. I enjoyed it so, as I truly felt that I was going to work for the Lord each day. We wore many "hats".....all of us. I have greeted partners in Partner Services, prayed over the prayer phones (my favorite!), helped on
telethons, ran the switchboard and was priviledged to talk with so many wonderful people while serving in so many facets of ministry. How wonderful that so many of you have taken the time to put your thoughts and love on these posts. What marvelous memories!
I truly wonder if the Lord would "allow" us to see the revival of one of the most glorious places that I have ever had the pleasure to work in! To be just a part of this
group would be such a blessing. Thank you for all of your sharing and caring. We are a scattered family! I truly hope and pray that God would restore this place, that all who love Him could fellowship there once again.

JCBrobst@aol.com
Guest 23-Jun-2004 16:14
Yes, Ace. You are correct. The television studio was located adjacent to the Barn Auditorium. Also included in the television studio building were conference rooms for seminars and other group sessions. That was all part of the World Ministry Center, I believe it was called.
Kappasigmapi22-Jun-2004 22:22
So then I am guessing the studio is the building attached to the Barn Auditorium (closer to the parking lot)? I can't think of any other structures in the vicintity that would be large enough to handle a broadcast studio.
Mike 22-Jun-2004 04:07
This saddens me. And with all of the people who serve the Lord there is no one who is willing buy it?
Guest 19-Jun-2004 13:44
Ace, just a quick note. The pictures of the building you have posted with the holes in the roof is the Barn Auditorium and not the Television Studio. As you may recall, the Barn served as the sanctuary for the Heritage Village Church, which was a fully recognized congregation in the General Council of the Assemblies of God. It also served as the main gathering place for events such as PTL's "All Night Gospel Sings." Other events such as concerts by well-known Christian artists were also held there.

The PTL Club/Jim and Tammy program was taped in the Barn Auditorium for a number of months until the Television Studio was completed. The now-former Television Studio is being leased, along with the Amphitheater, by a Christian theatrical group called NarroWay Productions.http://www.narroway.net. They produce Christian theatrical productions in the Summer months in what is now known as the King's Theater (former Amphitheater); as well as Dinner Theaters in the former Television Studio during the inclement Winter months.

The NarroWay productions are currently the only Christian Ministry that is actively going on at the former Heritage USA property.
Rick 19-Jun-2004 06:23
Thank you for posting the pictures of what was Heritage USA. It is indeed very sad to see how things have gotten into such disrepair. I have been a part of the discussion in the PTLHERITAGEUSA group at Yahoo for over a year now. Come check it out sometime. This is a by invitation group only, so only members can log into the group website and post comments, etc.
Mike LaFountain 14-Jun-2004 14:46
I thank you for the chance to see how much decay has progressed over the decade since I was last in Fort Mill. My grandparents still live on the grounds and I am sadded as well to learn that the grounds are in such disarray. I have so many good memories growing up of seeing the grounds and riding the tram and the train and the parades that were held on main street. I throughly enjoyed the waterpark during the menay summers I visited my grandparents. I hope to make a trip down home soon. Thank you for the inspiration to do so, so I can experience the downfall first hand...not to mock it but to remind myself on how beautiful it used to be down home.
Kappasigmapi14-Jun-2004 01:28
The property is primarily owned by a Malaysian company that owns Laura Ashley, amongst many other US holdings. They seem to be agreeable to selling the property, but the price is too high for most Christian ministries...just right for the commercial and residential developers, tho. Little by little, the property is being sold off for development of strip malls and housing. The Fort Mill Herald, Charlotte Observer and Charlotte Business Journal are good sources for info about the business dealings of the property. If you're interested in the attempts at reviving the property for Christian ministry, the yahoo group PTLHERITAGEUSA has lots of info and talk about what can and/or should become of the property.
S Stricker 13-Jun-2004 02:02
My wife and I went by tonight 12 June 04-- Very sad... Some activity still happens...camping and the plays that go on there. Every friday and sat. night-nicely done. Sad to see the decay.. Who currently owns and what will come of the area? Would love to know... Jim is on the air daily from Branson Mo with a tv show... Remarried... Wild deal- I miss it-sorry it had to go the way it did..
bearz1705 01-Jun-2004 05:14
Thank you so much for those pics of heritage usa. I went there several times as a child, and have extremely fond memories of the place. I too feel that it was such a shame to see it go. It was a place I would love to have taken my child to.
Kappasigmapi19-May-2004 12:23
It's hard to believe that something so great could fall into such shambles. I never went there as a kid, but I wish everyone that does have memories of Heritage USA could see these pictures. Thanks for the note.
cjdunavant 13-May-2004 18:48
Wow, what a shame. I can remember going to PTL as a teen and riding the tram to the general store and to the waterpark. It is hard to believe that someone didn't buy the property and turn it into something useful. I hate to see the buildings decaying so. The place was beautiful back in the day. Thanks for the memories.
CJDunavant
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